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hello

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and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and

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i'm excited about tonight's show our

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guest this evening is tom

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conwell uh he'll be talking ufos of

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course uh before that

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i have invited my good friend lee

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spiegel to swing by

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so he will be dropping in first

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and uh i wanted to say last week i hope

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you enjoyed our guest

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linda zimmerman i thought she was

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fantastic and you know i got to thinking

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about um

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one night when i couldn't sleep i got to

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thinking about

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she would be great on the scu

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team that's the scientific coalition for

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uap

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studies so i contacted robert

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powell over there and i said you ought

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to check out this podcast and he did

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and he thought she was fantastic and

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linda

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just sent me an email just a couple

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saying that it's official she is now on

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the uh

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scu team and i love when things like

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that happen she totally deserves it

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i'm very excited for her and uh if you

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missed that show i would say go back and

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check it out because it's a it's a real

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good one

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don't forget to check our website that's

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podcastufo.com

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and this week's blog by charles lear is

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called ufos versus flying saucers in

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1957.

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uh an excellent read and by the way um

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if you

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are listening to our podcast in our

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podcast feed uh

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now uh charles every week is doing an

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audio blog

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and uh he uh that'll be dropping in the

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podcast feed

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about midweek every week so we always

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encourage people to read the blog

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but um because he has uh links to a lot

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of what he's talking about

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um in the blog itself but if you want to

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uh uh the audio blog and if you're

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driving whatever

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you can check that out a couple of other

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things before we get started here i want

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to talk about

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um the netflix um unsolved mysteries

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episode berkshire's ufo i don't know if

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anyone has

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out there has missed that or if you get

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a chance please watch it i got to tell

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you

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it is really really a good episode

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um that whole case is just amazing to me

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um and uh you know before i knew it as

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the reed

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ufo and it's so much more and

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it it's just fascinating and if you have

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watched that

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now you'll be familiar with tom warner

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he's the artist

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um in the show that was actually

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i guess the only person that's ever

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someone has ever witnessed

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that was in a beam that came down by ufo

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and vanished

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right in front of this woman's eyes and

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revanished a while later you know and

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dropped to the ground

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it's just an amazing story anyway tom is

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coming up

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anniversary the

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uh september 1st which is a tuesday

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night it's the 51st

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51st anniversary of the incident that

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happened back in 1969 so i'm really

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looking forward to that i talked

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i talked to tom for maybe um an hour and

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a half or maybe even longer today

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uh really nice guy we have a lot of

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uh in common and uh it's it's really uh

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it's gonna be a great show i can't wait

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for that one to happen

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um also has anyone out there if you

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these uh these videos on youtube called

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the body language panel they are just

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amazing they've actually

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tackled a few people in the ufo field

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and what their thoughts were in reading

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you know the signs of

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either deceit or not deceit and uh so

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they will actually be coming up

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on the show too within a couple of weeks

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so that ought to be a lot of fun and

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getting back to the website podcast ufo

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you can see our patreon link

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anyone can support the show thank you

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for all that do

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if you don't you can't that's fine thank

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you for listening

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we appreciate every single one of you

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and just one more thing there is a an

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anonymous ufo

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citing form on podcast ufo.com there's a

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little

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anyone can fill out uh if they don't

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want to go public they can fill out the

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form there

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and i will look at it and post it and we

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have a lot of really

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interesting uh sightings that you'll

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never see anywhere else so check that

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out on podcastufo.com

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and my art just real quickly i did say

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that was a lasting but

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i did want to say i am painting and out

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in front of my house

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is uh i saw a really cute puppy

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if you will that's not even on there yet

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i just finished it this morning

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and that's martinwillisart.com and you

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know that's enough of me blabbing away

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right here and i'm going to bring in my

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good friend

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lee spiegel welcome to the show lee well

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it's so nice to be here i love your art

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what happened to you lee thing i'm right

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here sorry there you are

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yeah it's the men in black again yeah

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i was god i was trying to pay you a nice

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that's good well i was going to say

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something nice about your artwork

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because i i'm honored to be

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one of the lucky recipients of one of

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your ufo pieces of art

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that's right talking about ufos i i

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that's awesome so lee you're looking

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we've got our power back

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and in fact i i will let you be the

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online to wish me a happy anniversary

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happy anniversary and one that you

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you always get great guests

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that all came together at the same time

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and i was there for eight years i

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couldn't believe my luck

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uh that that kind of thing would happen

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and and look at what

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i was talking about ufos poltergeists

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living dinosaurs bigfoot i mean i was

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all over the place

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that's amazing um now look i'm going to

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ask you this because i

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i can say it's happened to me and just

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wondered if if you

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if it's happened to you right have

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people shared things with you

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and say hey look you know i'm telling

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you this off the record but you can't

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tell anyone about it

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yes some pretty wild stuff yes uh it

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does happen

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and and i'm okay with that because if

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they come across

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in a really credible legitimate way

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then i'm fascinated to hear the story

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and

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to share

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a lot of stories because there is still

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that

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stigma in the world where people are

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afraid

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even this the minor the most minor and

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smallest of reports of

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some strange lights in the sky people

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are afraid of ridicule

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duh who isn't afraid of being ridiculed

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uh it's not as bad as it used to be but

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it's still there

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and and but the people that that mostly

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will come up to you or me or people in

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our business and say

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i've got something to tell you but but

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you can't really mention it to anyone

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else because i'm still

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sworn to secrecy are the military

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eyewitnesses

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or the airline pilots i mean i don't

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know

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martin if you happen to see the most

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recent episode of unidentified

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on the history channel on saturday it

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was really good

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it was all about airline encounters and

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i haven't seen that one yet i'm a week

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or two behind and uh

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but i've i've really enjoyed you know

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this

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it's typical but there are people out

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there bashing the episodes

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i saw a little bit here and there but i

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so far i think it's a great season

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it's uh it's so much different and

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better than last year if you have in my

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opinion

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well they've got some really good people

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that have come

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forward and especially with the airline

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encounters i've known

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for decades that uh airline pilots

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are reluctant because they're even under

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orders not to describe not to go public

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with reports of things that they saw

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while they were doing

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a regular flight from here to there with

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a with a cargo of like 200 passengers

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uh whose lives depend on on the skills

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and the safety of the airline and and

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these

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flying saucers

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uaps that people are reporting them now

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uh

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these things do play games with a lot of

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airline

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pilots and and it doesn't matter the

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ufos

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they don't discriminate from one airline

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to another

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they but they do like to be seen they do

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like to get

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sometimes very close to airliners and

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and the pilots

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you know they're not trained to to avoid

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these kinds of things like

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military jet fighter pilots are they are

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trained and they

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and they're flying things the the

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military pilots

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they're flying pieces of equipment that

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can outmaneuver a lot of our

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well not a lot of but all of our

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commercial airline

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vehicles but regular commercial pilots

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in their airlines

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they can't get out of the way very

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quickly they can't do incredible

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maneuvers and go up and down they

387
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sometimes they just kind of have to sit

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there

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of us and is anybody else seeing it

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anyone else reporting it in time after

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time all these reports

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where the ground the ground radar

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controllers are saying no

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we're not painting anything on our radar

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right now in your vicinity

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yeah and i you know i'm always amazed

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i don't understand why is that such a

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big

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mystery if we're talking about

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when it comes to uaps if we're talking

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about a technology

402
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that's far in advance of what our

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technology is

404
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well then why can't they somehow cloak

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themselves from our little

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our little 21st century radar scopes

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it doesn't seem like a big deal to me

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but people go oh if it's not on radar

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you must not have seen

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anything it must have been oh venus was

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out

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pretty bright tonight yeah no i want to

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continue on that because i never never

414
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thought i have another thought on that

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as well

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yeah but uh stephen is asking if um you

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believe there will ever be any

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congressional hearing on ufos

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yes and they have been before and there

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in recent

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years there have been people on the hill

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in washington that have been talking

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about ufos they've had

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meetings with some of the the the navy

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pilots

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who had encounters with ufos over the

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last 10 years

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and there is great interest on the hill

429
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there's a there's a bill that's going

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through now that was uh

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put i think was put together by or

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promoted by uh florida senator

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marco rubio uh they're trying to get to

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the bottom

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of what's what's out there what are

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these vehicles

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who do they belong to and if they're not

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belonging to any nation on earth well

439
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we can't really speculate on who they

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are or where they come from because we

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don't know

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all that we know for sure is that there

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are things out there flying in our skies

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with impunity they can go wherever they

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want whenever they want

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and they can show themselves whenever

447
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they want

448
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they're in control of what they do but

449
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because we can't get close enough to

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them to pin them down

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doesn't mean that the bunkers have the

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right

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to ridicule the reports i i have a real

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craw on my neck about that that kind of

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attitude yeah

456
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i mean just recently i think within the

457
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last couple of weeks i read something

458
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i believe nbc.com had a story written by

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uh lead scientist seth shawstak from the

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seti institute

461
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and yeah i saw that yeah talking about

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ufos and

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and i i like seth he's a very nice he's

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a very smart guy but but

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but i believe that the the scientific

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board of the seti institute the search

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for extraterrestrial intelligence

468
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they're all very nice people and and

469
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they're doing a good job using radio

470
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telescopes to look for

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that cosmic radio signal in

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in the universe somewhere that says hi

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but but they will not consider

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the decades worth of lots of

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evidence of different kinds of evidence

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that something is visiting earth

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right now right here and some people are

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saying that they're landing in their

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backyards

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we can't just throw all of that

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testimony out the window

482
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yeah yeah that's absolutely right and

483
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and and i agree with you i did read that

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article and

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yeah it's frustrating yeah now now uh

486
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the thing

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you mentioned before you know like they

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can they come

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in and out and and they they

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want to be seen i think so they have to

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you know because someone brought up a

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really good point on the show one time

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and that is

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if you know why do they have lights why

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would they have lights

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yeah yeah that's kind of uh that's a

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good point right there

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i may i may have even mentioned it on

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your show before too because i've talked

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about this even on my show a few years

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ago

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my brother my younger brother jim was uh

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was driving

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up in rural new hampshire where i grew

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up and

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one of his sons zachary my nephew uh

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said look daddy there's what's that

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strange light in the sky maybe it's a

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ufo

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and they pulled off the side of the road

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and get out of the car and look

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and they realized very quickly it was

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probably a small plane

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that was on its final approach to a

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local airport

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so they got back into the car and

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they're driving along

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and zachary says daddy why do ufos have

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lights

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and and my brother said that's a really

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good question zach i tell you what

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when we get home why don't you call

523
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uncle lee in new york and ask him

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because he might have a good answer for

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that

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zachary called me uncle

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we saw this thing and and i want to know

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why do you think ufos have lights and i

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said well

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zachary the first thing that comes to

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mind is

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they they obviously don't need their

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lights

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vehicles whether it's planes

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trains automobiles we need to be able to

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see

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each other either people behind us or

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you know in front of us so we don't

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crash into them

540
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:19,120
but the ufos can do so many incredible

541
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:20,000
maneuvers

542
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:23,039
they don't seem to need that kind of

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thing to keep them from hitting each

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other

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zach is

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i think they just want to be seen they

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show themselves

548
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:34,480
when they want to be seen if they don't

549
00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:35,600
want to be seen

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00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:38,320
they know how to hide themselves you

551
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:38,960
know

552
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:42,000
i like to keep it simple martin

553
00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:43,919
let's keep it they've got lots of lights

554
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:46,240
as we know some so many reports

555
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:48,080
you they don't want to be seen they have

556
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:49,360
other stuff to do

557
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:52,880
yeah yeah absolutely um

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uh someone just someone's sending me

559
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howard stern oh no

560
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:59,039
anyway that's bill bill skywatcher said

561
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:00,160
there's some clip

562
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:02,720
did you have uh you had howard stern on

563
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:03,919
right on your show

564
00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:07,039
no no you were on his show though on his

565
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:07,760
show

566
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:11,679
we were on wnbc radio at the same time

567
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in the the mid to late 1980s in new york

568
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yeah yeah and so he used to go on and he

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would

570
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broadcast

571
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:25,600
and he would sometimes have me come into

572
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:27,280
the studio and sit with him

573
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:29,600
and then he would just he would just

574
00:20:32,789 --> 00:20:30,559
pull me apart

575
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:32,799
and pull my audience apart and and do

576
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:34,000
satires about me

577
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:36,000
and he would go on the air and he would

578
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:38,080
uh he would pretend to be me and then he

579
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:39,360
would pretend to be

580
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:42,799
my listeners calling me it was like

581
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:45,840
totally totally crazy um

582
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:48,880
but it raised it raised the level

583
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:51,280
of my audience because of the curiosity

584
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:52,000
factor

585
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,799
sure that he he brought to his audience

586
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:56,320
who's this guy lee spiegel that he's

587
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:57,360
promoting

588
00:21:01,270 --> 00:21:00,240
uh and so my audience numbers went up

589
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:01,280
actually yeah

590
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,840
uh yeah he was uh um bill was gonna try

591
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:05,280
to send me a clip but i won't be able to

592
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:06,480
play it um with

593
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:09,280
uh howard stern but anyway so your show

594
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:10,480
i know you gotta get going

595
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:12,799
uh your show is uh on thursday nights

596
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:13,840
thursday nights

597
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:17,200
kg r a radio and uh is there a couple

598
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:17,679
things

599
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:20,559
um lee is there uh is there a way that

600
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:21,360
people can

601
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:24,240
find out when and who's on your shows

602
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:25,520
during the week

603
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:27,760
um it's twitter right you use twitter

604
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:28,960
yes what i usually do

605
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:32,159
um either like monday and or tuesday i

606
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:32,880
will always

607
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,240
post something to to me on twitter

608
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:38,320
or on my facebook just facebook least

609
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:39,280
regal

610
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:41,600
i'll always have a few sentences about

611
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:42,559
what's coming up

612
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:44,240
on thursday's show and i'll have a nice

613
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,760
banner that shows

614
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:48,000
who my guest is going to be this coming

615
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:49,200
show uh this coming

616
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:52,159
thursday uh i've got a great guest

617
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:53,919
caroline corey

618
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:56,640
who's been on before she's an amazing

619
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:57,600
writer

620
00:22:01,590 --> 00:22:00,320
of author director producer of

621
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:01,600
documentaries

622
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:04,000
she has a brand new uh filmo called

623
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:05,600
super human

624
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:10,159
the invisible made visible and it's got

625
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:13,360
she's so connected to scientists

626
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:16,480
around the world who are doing amazing

627
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:17,039
work

628
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:19,919
with individuals normal people not

629
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:24,000
magical people not llamas from tibet

630
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:27,520
people who have experiences with extra

631
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:30,320
sensory perception

632
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,280
the powers of the mind and consciousness

633
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,520
mind over matter experiments

634
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:37,600
and when you see this film that she's

635
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:40,240
put together i saw it last night it's

636
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:41,760
it's incredible what what

637
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:45,679
people can do um when they're guided

638
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:48,400
under controlled conditions by

639
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:49,360
scientists

640
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:55,360
flabbergasted at what people can do and

641
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,799
they're filming these people

642
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,400
it's it's it's amazing it's going to

643
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,039
change how we we feel about

644
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,520
these things what the mind can do and

645
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,440
that word consciousness

646
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:07,440
and on the screen this caroline right

647
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:08,720
now on your

648
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:11,200
on your screen uh she does she does

649
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:12,000
great work

650
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,440
and uh better last year yeah yeah

651
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:18,240
yeah uh excellently well as always it's

652
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,600
always fun having you on

653
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,600
i never have to i never have to worry

654
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:23,440
about being being any different than

655
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,159
that

656
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:26,640
thank you sir yeah and uh i encourage

657
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:27,360
everyone to

658
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:29,840
uh check out his show now just one quick

659
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:30,799
question

660
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,280
archives uh can people listen to

661
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,559
archives of your show

662
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:37,200
yes they can um and in fact as i

663
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,559
understand it

664
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:41,120
right now they can hear archives of the

665
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:42,000
show

666
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:45,360
uh and and bill skywatcher uh

667
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,400
our wonderful studio producer can also

668
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:50,480
give you the exact address and i can i

669
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:52,000
can send it to you where people can just

670
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:52,960
go to

671
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:55,360
and click on it it's uh it's at a site

672
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,480
called spreaker

673
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,080
i believe that they can go there and

674
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,240
when they get to the site they can hear

675
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:02,480
my show i think your show as well any of

676
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:03,520
the shows that are on

677
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:06,480
kgra and they can they can click on

678
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:07,600
whichever

679
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,279
show in the archive they want to hear

680
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:10,799
they just click on it it's a quick

681
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,600
download

682
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:13,600
and they can play them to their hearts

683
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,279
content awesome

684
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:17,679
all right lee well uh keep up the great

685
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,320
work

686
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,159
and martin and i'll talk to you soon

687
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:21,760
always a pleasure all right

688
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:24,559
take care bye bye all right our guest

689
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:25,440
our guest tonight

690
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:28,240
tom conwell uh he has written a number

691
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:29,120
of books

692
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,720
um they are here and uh he's also

693
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:35,120
uh i know that he's in the works of

694
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:36,400
working on a book

695
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,279
um about messages from uh encounters and

696
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,279
now that is a subject that uh

697
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:43,600
um we have uh i have brought up many

698
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:44,320
times

699
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:47,600
um on the show so anyway uh with no

700
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,240
further ado welcome to the show tom

701
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:52,000
thank you very much thank you for having

702
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:53,440
me

703
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,880
yeah okay for a second there i thought

704
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:56,720
you were still muted

705
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:00,000
no no no i took it off yeah yeah

706
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:03,200
uh yeah so um let's start um at the

707
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,840
beginning

708
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,480
your your when did you first get an

709
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,480
interest in the ufo topic well

710
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:09,600
first of all you have you have a

711
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:12,480
background in uh electronics right

712
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:15,600
yes i do yeah um uh

713
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:18,880
a lot of years um i first went into

714
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:21,520
electronics when i was in the navy

715
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,000
and i got my training in um uh metrology

716
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:29,200
which is a science of measurement and

717
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:32,000
um i went to honeywell and i worked for

718
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:33,360
honeywell for

719
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:36,559
about 36 and a half years

720
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:39,600
and then i retired and right after

721
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:40,799
retirement

722
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:44,880
i uh got into the paranormal field um

723
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:47,919
but uh your original question related to

724
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:50,080
when was i first interested when i was

725
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:51,279
first interested in

726
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:54,720
in this subject when i was um

727
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,120
when i was about 10 my uh my aunt

728
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:02,320
uh was a um uh

729
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,320
was an astronomer and she was the

730
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,720
secretary of the astronomical

731
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,480
association of america

732
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,200
and i got an opportunity to go with her

733
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:14,720
on quite a few different

734
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,880
um conferences and i was hooked

735
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,400
i wanted to know what was out there and

736
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,320
what was going on

737
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,880
and so did she actually did you get into

738
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:26,799
a lot of conversations with her about

739
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:29,679
astronomy in general you know like um

740
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:32,400
the distances and stars and all that

741
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:35,679
um about her yes um um

742
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:40,400
we had quite a few long discussions

743
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:44,559
concerning that and um

744
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,600
it was very interesting because

745
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:50,080
i was wondering uh when she talked about

746
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:51,520
the distances and stuff

747
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:54,000
i was wondering well then how did the

748
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:55,520
ufos get here because

749
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,880
i just assumed that they always were

750
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:00,000
here

751
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:04,159
so i had to rethink everything and

752
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:07,760
wonder uh to myself how they would

753
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:11,039
put together their their ships to go

754
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,640
that kind of distance

755
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:15,120
because i knew that it was a big deal

756
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:16,799
for us at that time

757
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:19,440
to uh just get to the moon well how did

758
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,240
they get here

759
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:23,200
you know so it it was it was very

760
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:24,640
interesting we had some

761
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:27,200
very long discussions in our in our

762
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:28,240
trips uh

763
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:31,440
to the conferences yeah yeah how about

764
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:32,320
that wow

765
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:35,919
and uh so you actually wrote your first

766
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:38,960
well how did you actually in adulthood

767
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:42,640
get into the ufo topic okay um

768
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:46,080
well um i was um

769
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:49,840
actually retired i uh

770
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:53,679
um was looking for something to do

771
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,360
and i always was interested in um ufos

772
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:58,799
and the paranormal

773
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:02,320
so i got in with the paranormal team

774
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,080
and the paranormal team wanted me to

775
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:09,360
to um also

776
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:12,720
look into the ufo's subject so

777
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:15,679
i did a little of both i was paranormal

778
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:16,880
investigating

779
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:21,039
and i was writing into the

780
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,080
paranormal and into the ufo field and

781
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,919
what i did in order to write in the

782
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:27,440
paranormal field was

783
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:31,679
i i started writing blogs about ufos

784
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:34,880
and um i put

785
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:38,000
those blogs together after a while and

786
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,120
assembled them and realized it was it

787
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:43,520
was book length

788
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:46,720
i never realized that i did that so i

789
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:50,080
um um put that together

790
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:53,760
into a book and i um actually published

791
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,559
that one

792
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,880
after i had written my third book about

793
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:58,080
ufos

794
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:01,039
and um where they were if they were

795
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:02,640
collecting anywhere

796
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,440
and uh what else was going on so it was

797
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,360
pretty interesting

798
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,559
uh-huh and uh and so when did you

799
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,640
actually put together your very first

800
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:14,320
whoops i'm sorry about that when did you

801
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:15,600
actually put together your very first

802
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:16,880
book

803
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:23,840
about four years

804
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,640
into paranormal investigating and the

805
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:28,799
reason it took me so long

806
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:32,159
was that um

807
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:40,710
uh

808
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,880
i didn't set out to write a book i

809
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:44,640
didn't want to write a book

810
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:48,399
it had no interest for me so

811
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:52,720
um what i decided to do

812
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:56,559
was uh just to try to put together

813
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,760
a bunch of maps and i realized that

814
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,679
all these maps would probably give me

815
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:03,360
something to talk about

816
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:07,200
and i'm going to share the screen here

817
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:11,120
and uh all right go ahead and i'll bring

818
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,600
it in

819
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:13,520
just go ahead and click share the screen

820
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:15,919
share screen okay

821
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:18,640
and uh so these are maps related to ufo

822
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:19,440
sightings

823
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,029
um i i i looked at every single state

824
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,919
through the the sightings that were uh

825
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:38,880
assembled

826
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:41,760
in the national ufo reporting center oh

827
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:43,120
yes

828
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,240
yeah now the map that you see there

829
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:48,080
i don't see the map we have you haven't

830
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:50,240
shared the screen yet

831
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,960
i thought i did that several times all

832
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,559
right so i'm not seeing it up i'm

833
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:56,000
supposed to be able to

834
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,760
uh see it down here i'm not seeing

835
00:31:02,549 --> 00:30:59,120
anything and

836
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,230
okay um well

837
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:08,240
it's supposed to pop up on my screen oh

838
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:09,679
i can see something now yes

839
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:12,880
oh okay all right yeah yeah this is my

840
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:16,640
ufo sighting map and um this is all from

841
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,039
the national ufo reporting center

842
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:21,440
i realized the quantity of sightings

843
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:22,480
that were here

844
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,840
it was just voluminous the amount of

845
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:26,880
sightings that were there

846
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:30,880
it was probably in an area 75 000

847
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,559
sightings that looks like a lot of work

848
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:36,480
for the for the person that is just a

849
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:38,000
listener to the audio

850
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,720
um this um i'm going to ask you to send

851
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:42,159
me that map and i can put this in the

852
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:43,200
show notes

853
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:46,799
so yeah but there is just a clusters

854
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:47,919
just uh

855
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:51,120
uh it looks like the coronavirus

856
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,399
it really does it really does um

857
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,880
and when i first started doing this map

858
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:58,399
i started with new york state

859
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:01,519
because that's where i live and um

860
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,399
when i did that there was so many pins

861
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,320
in the new york state map

862
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,320
that i realized that i wasn't going to

863
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:10,080
be able to include

864
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,840
every single sighting it was just

865
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,480
impossible um

866
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:16,880
so what i did was i broke it down into

867
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:17,760
three sightings

868
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:20,240
three types of settings fireball spheres

869
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:21,760
and triangles

870
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:24,159
and that's all that's pictured that's

871
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:25,679
not all of the sightings

872
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:28,480
okay that's just those three and if you

873
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:30,320
look closely you're gonna see

874
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:33,600
a lot whole lot of little pins

875
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,279
um if you also look in areas where

876
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,519
cities are you're gonna see bigger pins

877
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:41,200
well the big pins equal

878
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:45,120
20 little pins there's just with so many

879
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:48,240
so many little um little pins that i

880
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,120
would have used

881
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,760
that it was just impossible to put them

882
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,000
all on this map

883
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:56,480
and when i got to the west coast it was

884
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:58,480
the even worse situation

885
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:01,440
because there was so many out there that

886
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:01,840
um

887
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:07,840
try to find another key i had to change

888
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:08,799
colors

889
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:12,320
and make the mikkel 100 sightings

890
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:15,919
wow yeah it was just

891
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:19,039
craziness just craziness

892
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,480
well you were looking for something to

893
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,240
do oh

894
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,559
that really gave you something to do and

895
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:26,559
this took me a year to do this

896
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,600
yeah i i'm not surprised at all yeah

897
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,360
yeah well that's great and if there's

898
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:33,120
any other uh graphics you wanted to show

899
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:34,399
up on the screen all you'd have to do is

900
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,679
you know put it up on

901
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:37,440
on your screen and we can swap it and

902
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,720
and uh

903
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:40,559
get it back in there if you wanted to

904
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:41,760
but um

905
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:44,000
so new fork so did you is that the only

906
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,519
place that you looked at sightings did

907
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:47,840
you go into any other database

908
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:51,039
um no it didn't um because there were so

909
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:52,000
many

910
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:53,760
that i realized that i wasn't going to

911
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,039
be able to put them all on

912
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:57,840
even if i found another database yeah

913
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,159
well

914
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,880
beside that um there's there could be

915
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:02,000
some repetitive

916
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,200
too definitely repetitive yeah yeah

917
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:07,600
one thing on mufon is also on new fork

918
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,639
as well yes

919
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:11,040
and and probably about 50 of the

920
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:12,320
instances

921
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:15,440
yeah in both places yeah yeah

922
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:18,560
right um so uh all right and

923
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,800
one of the things um i had written in

924
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:22,320
the description that

925
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:25,760
to this show is um you do you

926
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:28,480
now have a book out on uh earthquakes

927
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:29,520
and ufos

928
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:32,960
yes that is my latest book and i

929
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:36,480
just today um sent the information

930
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:39,839
up and it's um uh

931
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,960
not exactly available yet on amazon

932
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:44,879
but probably within about two or three

933
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,520
days it will be so it's a brand new book

934
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:49,679
oh oh good well let's talk a little bit

935
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:50,720
about that um

936
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,320
because you do hear a lot about that

937
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,919
type of situation and i've

938
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,680
often wondered if it's something a

939
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:59,440
natural phenomenon but what did

940
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,720
what did you find when you're looking

941
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,040
into this topic okay

942
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:06,000
um well i also have some maps to show uh

943
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:07,760
show you here you can bring that up any

944
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:08,160
time

945
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:11,200
yeah okay and um

946
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,359
well what i what i did was

947
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:17,760
i had to find out where the big

948
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:18,800
earthquakes were

949
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:21,839
right so i went to the the

950
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:24,960
uh earth earthquake page and

951
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:28,079
looked and and put a map in for all

952
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:31,359
where all of the big earthquakes were

953
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,400
then i had to go into

954
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,200
each particular one and map where the

955
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:39,520
sightings were

956
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:42,320
and then i was going to be able to see

957
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,839
whether there was any correlation

958
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,960
between

959
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:47,119
the big earthquakes and whether there

960
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:50,320
were ufo sightings at the time

961
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:53,359
well um i found

962
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:58,000
minimal overlap

963
00:36:01,829 --> 00:36:00,079
now just i'm not i'm not going to tell

964
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:01,839
you i found no overlap

965
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:08,870
so i was wondering why the sightings

966
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:12,000
were somewhere other than where the

967
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:13,040
earthquakes were

968
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,160
if if they if if in some cases they were

969
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:18,079
right on top of the earthquake

970
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,920
why were they maybe 150 miles away and

971
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:23,839
there's a big collection of them

972
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:27,119
why the heck were they there then um i

973
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,480
thought that it'd be either

974
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,640
like around the earthquake or sort of

975
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:32,800
near the earthquake or along the fault

976
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:33,839
of the earthquake

977
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:36,880
or something like that but when i found

978
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,240
very little overlap

979
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,920
there was another reason why they were

980
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,079
there

981
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:46,560
well i went back to my first three books

982
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:47,520
that i wrote

983
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:51,280
they are here and that's when i

984
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:54,320
try to identify um

985
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:57,839
and say

986
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:01,680
why why ufo sightings

987
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,880
were there to begin with so i looked at

988
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:06,400
all kinds of things

989
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:09,760
such as um

990
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:13,760
pollution i looked at geology

991
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:16,800
i looked at um

992
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:24,470
the uh the

993
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:28,000
um nuclear plants

994
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:32,400
i looked at um rivers and streams

995
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,040
lakes i i basically looked at

996
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,920
every possible reason why this is why

997
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:41,119
there's collections

998
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:43,359
of earthquakes especially based on the

999
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:46,000
ufo map that i showed you

1000
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:50,079
um and i had very

1001
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:53,280
little reason to put two and two

1002
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:54,079
together

1003
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:55,839
and say oh this is the reason why the

1004
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:57,280
earthquakes are there

1005
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:01,280
i it just wasn't there

1006
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,480
so with the ufo um

1007
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:07,760
and an earthquake book

1008
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:10,400
and i found almost no correlation

1009
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:11,119
between

1010
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,880
earthquakes and ufos what was the reason

1011
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:16,720
that they were there

1012
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:19,920
were they there um for

1013
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:24,079
uh um

1014
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,680
uh for the pollution no they weren't

1015
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:29,119
they weren't there for any of the other

1016
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:32,960
reasons that i stated before

1017
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:36,079
then i had to look at ufos

1018
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,760
let's assume now that ufos are indeed

1019
00:38:44,829 --> 00:38:40,800
from

1020
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,839
um another planet okay that they're

1021
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:46,079
extraterrestrial

1022
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:50,240
in order to get to here they had to have

1023
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:53,359
um uh they had to have

1024
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,480
traversed the tremendous area tremendous

1025
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:57,839
distance

1026
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:01,359
have um

1027
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:03,520
have computers that make our stuff look

1028
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,480
like mattel toys

1029
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:08,560
they also at the same time would have to

1030
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:09,599
have

1031
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:14,240
sting excuse me um a storage

1032
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:22,230
so what i did when i when i put together

1033
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:22,880
the

1034
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:26,960
earthquakes

1035
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,040
as i noticed collections in other places

1036
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:33,359
uh that brings me to another map here

1037
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:34,079
let me

1038
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:43,599
uh another map um

1039
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:44,960
yeah sure just remember to share the

1040
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:47,200
screen okay

1041
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:53,589
but uh i was just seeing if we had

1042
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:55,760
anything uh

1043
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:59,520
i guess there was a not it i no i saw

1044
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:00,960
something but

1045
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:06,870
oh someone just said there was an

1046
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,800
earthquake in uh

1047
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,960
let's see northern the northern part of

1048
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,240
north carolina

1049
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:15,040
tennessee and virginia that's unusual um

1050
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:16,319
we had a

1051
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:18,880
earthquake in maine which was because i

1052
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,359
was in

1053
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,680
california for a number of years i know

1054
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:23,440
i know what an earthquake is

1055
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:26,240
and uh i heard this rumbling first and

1056
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,440
then the whole house shook

1057
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,280
in the state of maine so they do happen

1058
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:31,200
in odd places but we're very rarely

1059
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:34,319
you know in this state does it happen

1060
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:37,839
okay so um i have a picture

1061
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:41,200
up now okay and did you click on share

1062
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:45,119
screen i'm not sure how to do that down

1063
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:46,960
at the bottom you did it once

1064
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,079
yeah oh that's your screen okay yeah yep

1065
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:52,000
you just do that and then share

1066
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,520
again go ahead and then

1067
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:57,200
i should see a picture of the map i

1068
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,800
don't see anything up there yet and you

1069
00:41:01,109 --> 00:41:00,400
did it once so i thought you might be

1070
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:01,119
able to

1071
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:04,640
to figure out again no uh

1072
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,800
so now it's there right i see it now and

1073
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:11,440
we are adding it okay very good okay all

1074
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:12,000
right

1075
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,680
so what are we looking at and again for

1076
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:15,760
the listener um i will get these images

1077
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:16,960
and put them in the show notes so you

1078
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:17,520
can

1079
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:20,560
check it out they're also

1080
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:24,240
in my book so huh

1081
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,680
what i did was i created a

1082
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:29,520
map of the earthquakes like i mentioned

1083
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:30,960
initially

1084
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:34,240
and then in order to track if

1085
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,160
the earthquakes were indeed around

1086
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,800
excuse me if the ufos were indeed around

1087
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:42,079
the earthquakes

1088
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:45,440
i put a map on with the ufo sightings at

1089
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,760
the same time as the earthquake

1090
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,119
and if you look at the bottom you'll see

1091
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,839
the legend two days before

1092
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,839
five days before two days after five

1093
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:54,960
days after

1094
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:58,800
all the various colors i picked this

1095
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:01,040
particular map because it had

1096
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,079
two different elements number one

1097
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:06,560
it looked to me like there may have been

1098
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,680
some activity

1099
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:09,920
around the initial earthquake if you

1100
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:11,839
look out on the west coast

1101
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:15,359
in the area north of san francisco

1102
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,800
you'll see the earthquake which is the

1103
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:20,319
concentric circles of the

1104
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:23,599
of the red and oh yeah um you'll see

1105
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:26,960
the other um the other

1106
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,079
ufo sightings

1107
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:32,160
was the one thing that i saw in some of

1108
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:33,839
the maps only only

1109
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:37,440
only some but i also saw

1110
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:41,200
huge quantities of sightings elsewhere

1111
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,040
in the us now why are they there

1112
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:47,680
are you saying uh just so i'm clear uh

1113
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,319
uh

1114
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:51,119
tom are you saying that the ufo

1115
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:52,800
sightings happen in the same time the

1116
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:53,680
earthquake did

1117
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:56,880
but not air correct i get it

1118
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:59,200
okay correct and they're all over the

1119
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:00,160
united states

1120
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:03,200
but not around the earthquake so um i'm

1121
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,599
saying

1122
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:06,000
no why why did that happen that's not

1123
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:07,680
what i expected okay

1124
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:11,200
yeah i i expected down down

1125
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:14,240
california and around there but not what

1126
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,440
i saw

1127
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:17,760
which is what you're looking at and this

1128
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:20,319
was a five-day picture

1129
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:25,520
me a 11-day picture

1130
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,880
of ufo sightings so

1131
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,000
we're going to see a whole lot of

1132
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:32,319
sightings before and after

1133
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:36,319
and the day of the the quake

1134
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:39,599
but again i couldn't

1135
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:43,680
put my finger on why they were there

1136
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:46,960
until until

1137
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:49,119
i have to show you another picture now i

1138
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:50,560
hope this is

1139
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:53,359
you can see yeah okay you could have

1140
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:54,000
swapped the picture

1141
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:55,280
while you were sharing screen but that's

1142
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:58,079
fine oh no i don't know

1143
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:02,400
all right and the other one was uh 13b

1144
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:08,000
um 13.

1145
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:11,760
come up with another number here 13

1146
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:20,950
there's this picture and

1147
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,190
how do i okay do whatever you did before

1148
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,839
yeah it oh i see you wait a minute

1149
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:30,240
there's something intervening here

1150
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,079
um i got to close that and

1151
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:36,800
and we can we can we can we can move on

1152
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:37,359
uh

1153
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:39,920
because we you know we got to move on if

1154
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,119
it's going to be too difficult

1155
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:44,319
to do that yeah okay well uh what what i

1156
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:45,200
saw

1157
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:48,400
with with another screen that i had

1158
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:51,599
is when i had just a five-day window

1159
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,880
around the earthquake

1160
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:54,800
two days before two days after in the

1161
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:56,720
day of the quake

1162
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:00,400
what i saw with that was

1163
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:04,880
straight lines from the east coast

1164
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:09,280
pretty much to the mississippi river

1165
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:12,079
why were there straight lines across

1166
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:12,640
across

1167
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,400
uh the screen where the

1168
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,319
what was going on straight line

1169
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,109
i couldn't put my finger on it

1170
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:29,270
it was as if they were scanning us

1171
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:32,400
back and forth across somewhat the same

1172
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:33,200
areas

1173
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:37,200
and it would change every several days

1174
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:40,319
so why were they scanning us if they

1175
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:47,750
tremendous computers and

1176
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:50,240
great storage systems they don't need to

1177
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:51,760
scan us over and over

1178
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:53,920
they just go back into their storage

1179
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:56,400
areas and look at what they're

1180
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,520
going to look at there has to be some

1181
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:01,760
reason why they're doing this

1182
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:06,079
that requires them to do it continuously

1183
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:09,440
it certainly wasn't geography because

1184
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:12,720
the as far as the geography goes

1185
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:15,920
the um geography would uh

1186
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:20,319
would um not change

1187
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,680
so yeah

1188
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,839
go ahead yeah just just so i can be

1189
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:27,520
really clear about this

1190
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:31,280
so you're you're saying that um these

1191
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:34,160
say an earthquake happened in california

1192
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:34,560
uh

1193
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:38,079
and there's a direct line or a parallel

1194
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,520
line or whatever over to

1195
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:41,440
a ufo sighting that happened in the same

1196
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,319
night and this happened repeatedly

1197
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:46,400
on these lines you're talking about or

1198
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,440
i'm just i'm

1199
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:49,440
i think i've kind of lost where you're

1200
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:50,800
going with this

1201
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,230
let me see

1202
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,230
the uh there were straight lines

1203
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:05,520
across that um that

1204
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:08,960
uh sighting map and um

1205
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,760
the only thing i could figure was the

1206
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:13,680
straight lines were because

1207
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,119
they're going back and forth over the

1208
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:17,839
same areas

1209
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:20,880
oh okay all right um

1210
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:24,240
i had no reason to think that it wasn't

1211
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:25,839
for any other reason

1212
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:29,200
um they had to be looking at the same

1213
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:30,160
areas

1214
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,030
there's no reason for them to look at

1215
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:37,520
the same areas if it's geology

1216
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:42,000
or geography there's just no reason

1217
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:49,510
so i'm still trying to figure out i

1218
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:51,280
think i just did it

1219
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,640
yeah i see it now you see it okay oh

1220
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,960
okay i mean nuts i did click about ten

1221
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:58,079
different things

1222
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:01,839
okay now the green dots

1223
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:05,680
on this screen are all the day of the

1224
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,710
on the day of the quake and the name of

1225
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:11,920
the quake

1226
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:14,079
and those are the green dots are ufo

1227
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:17,359
sightings yes they are

1228
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,960
now um this is not the same ufo map as

1229
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:22,160
before

1230
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:24,960
this is because there were two quakes in

1231
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:25,839
nevada

1232
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:29,680
that were pretty large but i showed this

1233
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:33,440
because if you look from

1234
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:36,960
let's say iowa all right go your eyes go

1235
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,319
to iowa yeah

1236
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:41,040
and then look across the illinois

1237
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:42,559
indiana

1238
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:45,920
ohio northern pennsylvania

1239
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,720
and new jersey that's almost a straight

1240
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:50,319
line across there

1241
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:53,760
and i came across a whole bunch of these

1242
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:55,839
um as a matter of fact there may have

1243
00:49:02,950 --> 00:48:57,040
been about

1244
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:02,960
uh 17 out of 20 maps that i did

1245
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,680
now let me just ask you this could these

1246
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:07,680
also be the same ufo people are

1247
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:10,000
citing in different states like it's

1248
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:11,119
traveling

1249
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:14,480
uh it could be i don't know that

1250
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:17,760
i it could be it could be

1251
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:20,400
different ufo sightings i have no idea

1252
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,760
why

1253
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:23,520
but there there are straight lines

1254
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:25,119
across

1255
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:28,000
and there's multiple straight lines we

1256
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:29,680
have arkansas through

1257
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,240
a tennessee and north carolina we have

1258
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:33,760
mississippi alabama

1259
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:36,400
georgia south carolina we have texas

1260
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:37,520
louisiana

1261
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:40,160
okay i don't know what's causing these

1262
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:41,200
sightings

1263
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,880
just that there are straight lines

1264
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:47,119
so i had to come up with a reason why

1265
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:53,349
i didn't know what the reasons were

1266
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,480
so what could continuously be changing

1267
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,400
that would require them to keep going

1268
00:50:02,309 --> 00:50:00,480
back and forth over the same areas

1269
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,319
they don't need to do that to look at

1270
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:05,040
geology or geography

1271
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:06,079
because they already have it in their

1272
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,119
computer can't be pollution it doesn't

1273
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,359
change that rapidly

1274
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:13,359
why are they having to go over the same

1275
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:14,640
areas

1276
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:17,760
the only thing that's changing are the

1277
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:23,349
the people are changing because the

1278
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:27,200
people are awakening

1279
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:34,950
they're being they are seeing

1280
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:38,880
things in the sky they are

1281
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:43,599
recognizing that they have um

1282
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:52,790
seeing bigfoot and i'm not a bigfoot fan

1283
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:55,680
but all these reasons people are

1284
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:56,800
awakening

1285
00:51:03,190 --> 00:50:59,920
and this is the reason why they are

1286
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,200
seeing the things in the sky and

1287
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:05,760
this is also the reason why the ufos are

1288
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:08,480
going back and forth over the same areas

1289
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:11,680
maybe every three or four weeks because

1290
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:12,559
the people

1291
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:20,480
and where where where is this this is

1292
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:21,359
just something you

1293
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:28,069
it's the only thing that i had

1294
00:51:34,829 --> 00:51:31,520
that i could put my finger on that

1295
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:34,839
would account for the fact

1296
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,000
that the ufos need to go back and forth

1297
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:40,319
over the same areas

1298
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:47,910
um i've i've come up i've

1299
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:50,319
thought of everything there's just no

1300
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:51,839
reason why they have to go back and

1301
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:52,319
forth

1302
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:55,280
over the same areas unless something's

1303
00:52:02,470 --> 00:51:56,720
changing

1304
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:06,390
and again uh so are are you looking at

1305
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:10,000
over you said on weeks or on several

1306
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:11,119
weeks

1307
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,160
are these like um a lot of times you'll

1308
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:15,839
hear about

1309
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:18,559
a hot spot where ufos will show up you

1310
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:20,880
know like one week after another

1311
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,920
um are you are you taking that type of

1312
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:25,440
thing into account as well

1313
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:28,880
i mean yes oh yeah um

1314
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:32,079
and um in one of the maps that i put

1315
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:39,510
i circled about a hundred different

1316
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:40,720
locations

1317
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:43,200
on my initial ufo sighting map that i

1318
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,240
showed you the big

1319
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,880
map of the us with the pins in it a

1320
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,480
hundred different locations

1321
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:50,720
where there was anomalies where there

1322
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:51,599
was

1323
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:54,480
more sightings than i would have

1324
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,680
expected to be

1325
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:57,359
in that particular area based on

1326
00:53:02,790 --> 00:52:59,680
population

1327
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:02,800
collections of ufos

1328
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:06,000
yeah about time they

1329
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:09,200
are all over the place all

1330
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:18,150
i wish that i could like open my book

1331
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:20,000
and show you one page after another i

1332
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:21,440
think i can't do that

1333
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:25,280
but um uh the only reason that i could

1334
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:26,800
come up with

1335
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:30,079
is the the people

1336
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:33,119
are changing very rapidly

1337
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:36,160
um on our planet

1338
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:39,520
and uh there's a very very short period

1339
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:40,400
of time

1340
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:44,000
where we are going to have um

1341
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:47,040
a bunch of people who who

1342
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:51,520
uh start claiming to see ufos in the sky

1343
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,720
way more than what are claimed now

1344
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:56,319
because they're going to be able to see

1345
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:00,319
them where they couldn't see them before

1346
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:03,359
and this is how we're getting ready for

1347
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:08,240
them to finally be announced i think

1348
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,960
yeah that's that that's my theory at

1349
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:12,000
this point

1350
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:13,920
because there's nothing physical that i

1351
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,559
can see that would account for anything

1352
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:18,720
other than something non-physical that's

1353
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,910
well it's all interesting and i do

1354
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:25,440
realize i mean

1355
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:28,480
i'm sure this is all you know just

1356
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:31,839
theory of course sure yeah um

1357
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:35,119
but um anyway well it's all

1358
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:37,760
it's all interesting and we are um we

1359
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:38,559
are ready

1360
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,720
actually to go into the break and we got

1361
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:42,000
a uh we got a

1362
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:44,880
about a three minute break uh coming up

1363
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:45,839
here so

1364
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:48,640
um everyone hang in there uh we will be

1365
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:49,680
right back

1366
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:52,880
uh right after these messages

1367
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,839
go all right everyone welcome back uh

1368
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:57,599
this is martin willis your host

1369
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,880
and uh we are back and i'm gonna bring

1370
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:02,559
uh tom back in here

1371
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:06,720
and here you go okay yes

1372
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:10,000
so we're back and uh let's see uh

1373
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:12,160
now there are a lot of people you must

1374
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:13,280
have heard of the term

1375
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:16,559
earthquake lights right oh yes yeah

1376
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:18,000
so that's a whole different thing that's

1377
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:19,599
probably a natural phenomenon

1378
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:22,000
it is and uh it's almost it's kind of

1379
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:23,599
one of those strange things like ball

1380
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:24,559
lightning

1381
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:27,520
you know but uh also uh you know it must

1382
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:30,319
have to do with uh weird enough

1383
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:33,359
yeah yeah you're uh breaking up it's uh

1384
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:34,480
weird enough

1385
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,400
that uh people think that they're

1386
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:37,920
looking at ufos

1387
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:40,240
when they're just looking at a energy

1388
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:41,680
discharge

1389
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:44,000
yeah i mean there's so much pressure and

1390
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:45,200
pressure released

1391
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:46,720
you know in an earthquake you can't even

1392
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,559
fathom uh the amount of pressure that

1393
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:50,480
happens that makes an earthquake happen

1394
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:52,799
and and another thing you know you when

1395
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:54,319
you look at mountains anytime you look

1396
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:55,119
at mountains

1397
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,319
there had to be a heck of a lot of

1398
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:58,079
earthquakes to get that mountain to to

1399
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:59,119
be there

1400
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:02,160
you know but yeah so

1401
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:04,319
uh you know i mean they're the whole in

1402
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:05,680
the pacific rim

1403
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:08,079
um the whole the fault lines along the

1404
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:09,119
west coast

1405
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:12,400
uh the north pacific um there's there's

1406
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:13,280
all kinds of

1407
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:15,040
areas where there's a lot of earthquakes

1408
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:16,640
and a lot of danger

1409
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:19,839
for earthquakes um and but but

1410
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,920
you're you're saying you think they're

1411
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:23,680
the correlation between ufos and

1412
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:24,319
earthquakes

1413
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:27,920
is there isn't one that they're far away

1414
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:31,280
has nothing to do with real ufos

1415
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:35,040
i mean pretty much people can't identify

1416
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:38,480
right um i

1417
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:41,520
could not say that ufos

1418
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:44,640
are um directly linked to earthquakes i

1419
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:47,119
i can't say that yeah because just they

1420
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,240
aren't

1421
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:50,799
yeah and uh maybe you can do your next

1422
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,760
book on volcanoes and ufos

1423
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:55,200
because i don't know if you've ever seen

1424
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:56,559
that but there's a lot of people

1425
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:57,520
claiming they see

1426
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:01,200
you know uh ufos around volcanoes or

1427
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:04,079
even dormant volcanoes entering

1428
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:05,280
volcanoes

1429
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,440
um in um in washington mafic though one

1430
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:11,359
of the maps that i have

1431
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,880
is uh it shows active and inactive

1432
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:16,160
volcanoes

1433
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:19,760
and there's i think 13 active ones

1434
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:23,839
in washington state and

1435
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:27,760
two inactive ones and uh

1436
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:30,799
in um oregon there's

1437
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:34,160
43 inactive volcanoes

1438
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:38,160
and um about three or four active ones

1439
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:42,079
and there's a couple of active ones

1440
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:45,200
and maybe one inactive one in california

1441
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:49,040
and all of those were created um

1442
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:52,160
not because of the san andreas fault but

1443
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,079
because of something directly above

1444
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:56,400
the san andreas fault which is the one

1445
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:57,680
defuca plate

1446
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:00,720
it's a seduction plate that's going in

1447
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:04,480
under the earth and um

1448
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:08,000
some some way inland uh it it

1449
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:10,640
pushes up mountains and that's what is

1450
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:11,680
responsible

1451
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:14,880
for the sierra nevada and the cascade

1452
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:18,000
mountain ranges out there in

1453
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:20,319
washington and oregon and what's

1454
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:22,480
directly responsible for

1455
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:25,520
all of the um ancient earthquakes

1456
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:29,200
that um wreaked havoc with the planet

1457
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:32,720
right yeah the moving moving of

1458
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:35,599
uh tectonic plates and all that yeah

1459
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:36,799
it's uh yeah

1460
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:38,319
um there are some things about that i

1461
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:40,240
totally will never understand how

1462
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,280
how all that works um but uh we're not

1463
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:46,000
doing a geography show so we'll have to

1464
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:47,040
move on with this

1465
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:50,079
but uh the as far as uh

1466
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:53,119
the uh the book um so

1467
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:55,520
do you actually come to any type of your

1468
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:56,240
conclusion

1469
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:58,160
is that you think it has to do with the

1470
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:00,319
human population it sounds like

1471
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:03,200
yes yes um because i could come up with

1472
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:04,480
nothing else

1473
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:06,240
um i couldn't come up with anything

1474
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:07,520
physical

1475
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:11,200
um yeah and that it

1476
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:14,160
it must be part of a bigger plan and

1477
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:16,240
that um

1478
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,359
uh the um

1479
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:21,440
constancy of having to go back over the

1480
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,480
same areas

1481
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,160
is because there's some rapid change

1482
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,400
going on and the rapid change is not

1483
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:28,480
happening on the earth

1484
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:31,520
must be happening with the people

1485
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:33,920
interesting are there some people that

1486
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:34,640
say

1487
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:37,119
something along the lines that uh you

1488
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,240
know i had someone on

1489
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:39,839
he was basically a skeptic i don't know

1490
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:41,440
maybe a couple months ago

1491
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:44,240
um he wasn't too popular on this show

1492
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:45,119
but um

1493
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:48,000
people were i mean he was uh saying that

1494
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:49,760
you know people manifest

1495
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:52,480
ufos it's something we manifest inside

1496
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,200
of us

1497
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:55,200
uh he was totally convinced in that even

1498
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,559
when it came down to

1499
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:58,559
you know mass uh mass sightings and

1500
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:00,640
witnesses and uh he had a

1501
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:03,359
he had a uh an answer for everything on

1502
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:04,000
that

1503
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:07,280
but

1504
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:11,680
um i saw ufos four different times

1505
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:14,480
and each one was drastically different

1506
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:15,599
from the other

1507
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,040
and under no circumstances was i

1508
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:21,680
hoping for a ufo sighting when i saw it

1509
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,160
i was

1510
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:24,720
totally and completely surprised yeah

1511
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,480
yeah you know it's it's that's that's

1512
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,880
why they can't be studied so easily

1513
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:30,559
exactly you know there there's something

1514
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:31,920
you can never predict and

1515
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:34,000
and they're fleeting so let's hear about

1516
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:36,000
let's hear about your ufo sightings it's

1517
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:37,359
always interesting to hear them

1518
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:40,160
oh some of them were weird okay the

1519
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:41,599
first one

1520
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:45,200
um i was in the back room

1521
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:48,720
um and watching the tube as i

1522
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:52,160
uh usually do in the in the summer

1523
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:54,640
probably watching baseball at the time

1524
01:01:01,750 --> 01:00:57,920
i'm a bit of a yankee fan and

1525
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:01,760
um my wife called me on the intercom she

1526
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:02,960
was out in the front room doing

1527
01:01:06,549 --> 01:01:04,000
something rather

1528
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:06,559
she called me on the intercom and said

1529
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:08,319
go out back real quick look

1530
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:11,520
look up um uh towards the west

1531
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,839
so i went running out the door looked up

1532
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:14,960
towards the west

1533
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:21,190
how do i describe it it was a bright

1534
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:24,799
orange ball of fire

1535
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:26,240
that's exactly what i saw a bright

1536
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:28,480
orange ball of fire and

1537
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,480
it it was in my field of vision for

1538
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:31,920
about three seconds

1539
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:34,720
and then it went behind the cloud i was

1540
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:35,680
so was it

1541
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:39,680
is it possible that it was a a fireball

1542
01:01:50,829 --> 01:01:46,470
um it was it was dawdling along

1543
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:50,839
um a fireball from from a meteor

1544
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:54,240
moves uh and uh at a great speed they

1545
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:55,680
enter the earth's atmosphere

1546
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:58,799
between 30 and 60 000 miles an hour

1547
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,960
and uh by the time that we see them in

1548
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,400
the lower atmosphere

1549
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:04,240
they're still moving along at a

1550
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:05,599
tremendous clip

1551
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:12,470
and then went out behind the cloud it

1552
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:13,440
was

1553
01:02:20,309 --> 01:02:18,079
probably slower than an airplane

1554
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:20,319
yeah and then my wife called me on

1555
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:21,680
intercom again

1556
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:23,599
uh quick come out front there's more of

1557
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:26,319
them so i went running out front

1558
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:29,839
and looked up and there were

1559
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:32,960
two more uh coming in

1560
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:36,720
and they were moving very slowly

1561
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:39,680
and right at some particular point in

1562
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:40,720
the sky

1563
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:43,920
they changed direction somewhat and

1564
01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:48,160
started angling upward and um

1565
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:52,000
again these were balls of fire

1566
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:53,680
and that's what it looked like it looked

1567
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:55,599
like a repetitive fire

1568
01:03:03,430 --> 01:02:59,760
that um was twice as bright as the moon

1569
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:03,440
and um

1570
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:07,119
again moving uh on the slow end

1571
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:08,799
of what i would expect an airplane to

1572
01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:10,960
move um

1573
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:14,319
we're on the landing pattern for for

1574
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:18,319
albany airport and um i see them all

1575
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:20,240
in the sky all the time so these were

1576
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:21,440
moving at about i

1577
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:24,880
would guess about 100 knots very slow

1578
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:28,160
and this one chain or these two at the

1579
01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:29,760
same instant in time

1580
01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:33,039
changed direction and angled upward

1581
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:35,119
well now that was a total of four that

1582
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:36,640
went by

1583
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:39,280
uh even though i only saw one when i

1584
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:40,400
went out back

1585
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:42,240
my wife said there was two of them okay

1586
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:44,720
so that was a total of four that went by

1587
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:48,079
and so i just stood there watching

1588
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:51,119
and lo and behold one more came through

1589
01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:54,559
just one this time um not two

1590
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:57,760
and this moved across the sky slowly

1591
01:04:01,670 --> 01:04:00,559
at the same point in the sky it changed

1592
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:01,680
direction

1593
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:05,039
angled upward and

1594
01:04:08,549 --> 01:04:07,280
eventually disappeared behind some

1595
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:08,559
clouds

1596
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:12,079
as it was moving south so that's a total

1597
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:14,559
of five

1598
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:17,920
and um so i said well what do i have to

1599
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:19,440
lose i might as well sit here and

1600
01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:22,000
and watch and see if they come again lo

1601
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:24,799
and behold two more came through

1602
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:26,799
um and i was trying to figure out where

1603
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:28,400
they were coming from

1604
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:32,079
um i didn't see them come on or anything

1605
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:34,640
so i i watched them through the sky they

1606
01:04:39,029 --> 01:04:36,880
went to the same point in the sky

1607
01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:39,039
angled upward changed direction in the

1608
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:40,240
same way

1609
01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:43,039
and did exactly the same maneuver and

1610
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:45,520
disappear behind clouds

1611
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:48,880
so i said aha i'm going to watch

1612
01:04:52,470 --> 01:04:50,960
where these things are coming from and

1613
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:52,480
i'm going to see what's happening

1614
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:55,920
so i stared right at where they were

1615
01:04:58,870 --> 01:04:57,359
approximately coming from

1616
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:58,880
because i was sort of honing in on it

1617
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:00,720
you know as i was watching

1618
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:03,839
and um two of them

1619
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:06,559
popped on and by popped on i meant go

1620
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:10,160
from black sky to super bright orange

1621
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:13,200
in the same portion of the sky

1622
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:16,400
and they came through and um

1623
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:19,280
it again at that at the same area as

1624
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,079
before

1625
01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:22,559
they changed direction and went angled

1626
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:23,119
upward

1627
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:25,760
at about a 45 degree angle i was

1628
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:27,920
starting to pay attention to the

1629
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:30,160
the ball of fire and what that looked

1630
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:33,599
like that was sort of resembling

1631
01:05:37,589 --> 01:05:36,640
um was resembling i guess the only way i

1632
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:37,599
could describe it

1633
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:40,480
is a digital fire as if it were done

1634
01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:41,920
digitally

1635
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:45,039
and um it showed a fire

1636
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:48,079
and it was really bright orange yeah

1637
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:52,079
did you think to get a camera no

1638
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:54,000
can you believe i i couldn't think of

1639
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:56,240
any camera because i was in shock

1640
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:59,359
i could not believe my eyes um you know

1641
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:01,039
you're not alone uh you know someone

1642
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:02,480
mentioned in the uh something

1643
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:05,039
about that in the uh in the chat and it

1644
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,160
it

1645
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:07,920
i've heard a number of people say that

1646
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,520
was like the last thing

1647
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:11,520
on their mind because they just were so

1648
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:13,760
involved in what they were seeing

1649
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:18,000
i didn't want to miss a thing yeah um

1650
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:21,280
and then as i thought

1651
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:24,640
about these sightings um the fact that

1652
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:26,079
they popped on

1653
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:27,920
the fact that they all changed at the

1654
01:06:31,750 --> 01:06:30,079
same spot

1655
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:31,760
they all disappeared in the same area of

1656
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:33,119
the sky

1657
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:36,160
um i had to draw some conclusions from

1658
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:37,200
that

1659
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:40,880
number one it was if they were

1660
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:43,920
um digitally created

1661
01:06:51,910 --> 01:06:47,760
because of the fire um

1662
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:51,920
number two they were extremely bright

1663
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:54,640
so i'm almost theorizing that they were

1664
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:56,640
probably drones

1665
01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:00,000
not ufos excuse me not

1666
01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:02,880
not um uh the kind of drones that uh uh

1667
01:07:11,109 --> 01:07:03,200
you

1668
01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:11,119
super duper drones um but

1669
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:14,319
they were um

1670
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:17,039
they were there to do one thing that's

1671
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:18,799
to show themselves

1672
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:20,480
there was no other reason for them to do

1673
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:21,839
what they did

1674
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:25,440
none so i believe that they

1675
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:27,680
that they popped on in that area of the

1676
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:30,160
sky to show themselves to the people in

1677
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,760
this area

1678
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:33,839
now did anyone that you're aware of

1679
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:35,280
anyone else see them

1680
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:37,520
uh one other person saw them but nobody

1681
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:39,280
was looking up because nobody ever looks

1682
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:40,240
up

1683
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:42,880
yeah yeah that's that's the i always end

1684
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:44,640
the show keep your eyes to the sky

1685
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:47,280
because um you know you're right that

1686
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:48,000
does

1687
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:50,640
that is you know there's no reason for a

1688
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:52,240
lot of people to look up i've always had

1689
01:08:07,829 --> 01:07:52,720
a

1690
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:07,839
down

1691
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:16,799
not anymore my eyes are up and i'm

1692
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:17,440
looking at

1693
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:20,480
everything yeah um well anyhow that was

1694
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,080
the first group that i saw

1695
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:24,400
and there were nine of them total wow

1696
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:25,679
that's amazing yeah

1697
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:28,719
the second thing that i saw i saw

1698
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:32,239
one the following night

1699
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:34,960
that was moving perpendicular to this

1700
01:08:38,789 --> 01:08:36,159
other one

1701
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,799
this one was not a fireball this was an

1702
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:40,400
orange sphere

1703
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:44,239
and it was big um and it was moving

1704
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:47,679
west to east then i thought that was

1705
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:48,880
pretty unusual

1706
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:50,560
and that's a that's a different path

1707
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:52,080
than the other one

1708
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:54,319
the other one was north to south i see

1709
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:56,400
and uh the north or south one

1710
01:09:02,550 --> 01:09:00,480
traveled right along the hudson river

1711
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:02,560
okay very interesting well i'm sure you

1712
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:04,239
heard of the hudson

1713
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:07,520
uh river valley sightings oh yeah yeah

1714
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:11,040
they were about uh 70 miles south of

1715
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:12,799
here

1716
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:14,080
one thing i want to ask you before you

1717
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:16,080
move on was there any sound

1718
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:19,359
nothing not a peep yeah

1719
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:22,799
not a peep not unusual

1720
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:28,550
believe me uh i was watching and

1721
01:09:31,669 --> 01:09:29,600
listening and

1722
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:31,679
doing everything i could possibly do to

1723
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:33,520
to try to

1724
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,920
categorize these things in my mind as a

1725
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:36,960
matter of fact that would

1726
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:40,239
that's what made me write um

1727
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:44,400
what i wrote in my first book about

1728
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:47,600
ufo fireballs and

1729
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:50,080
i was able to track the differences of

1730
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:51,679
what people were seeing

1731
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:55,040
and um uh put it into

1732
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:57,920
one great big matrix and uh there's

1733
01:10:04,229 --> 01:09:59,920
about

1734
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:04,239
fireballs

1735
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:07,280
that are different from spheres and

1736
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:09,760
it's all pretty interesting it really is

1737
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:11,120
interesting

1738
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:15,679
so anyhow the third sighting that i saw

1739
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:19,360
was in i was on vacation

1740
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:23,040
in new hampshire

1741
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:26,560
and i

1742
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:28,800
was watching the sky again like i

1743
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:29,679
normally do

1744
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:33,360
it was very dark and i was looking up at

1745
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:34,880
the sky

1746
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:37,920
and uh i remember saying to myself

1747
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:41,040
oh sure would be cool if i saw a ufo uh

1748
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:44,320
about three or four minutes later

1749
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:48,640
i saw this enormous red flash in the sky

1750
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:52,239
red not white a red flash and out of the

1751
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:53,920
middle of this flash

1752
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:57,360
came this white streak that moved

1753
01:11:01,030 --> 01:11:00,000
across the sky faster than anything i've

1754
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:01,040
ever seen

1755
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:04,880
and this was not a meteor um

1756
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:07,280
because meteors seem to trail off as

1757
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:08,560
they go across the sky

1758
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:10,480
this one stayed the same brightness all

1759
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:11,600
the way out

1760
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:14,719
and it also did not trail off

1761
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:17,280
in a downward direction right um this

1762
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:18,480
went straight

1763
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:22,239
out until i couldn't see it anymore

1764
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:26,159
wow that almost to me

1765
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:29,360
looked like what someone uh well more

1766
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:30,960
someone's i should say

1767
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:33,280
uh described in the national ufo

1768
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:34,320
reporting center

1769
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:36,960
that they saw a portal open and

1770
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:38,880
something come flying out of it

1771
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:41,840
and that's what it looked like to me

1772
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:42,239
this

1773
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:50,239
thing came right out of the middle of it

1774
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,320
it was really extraordinary yeah um

1775
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:56,560
all right well let's uh let's just shift

1776
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:58,560
gears just a little bit here because i

1777
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:01,280
i understand that you are um writing a

1778
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:02,719
book that i've actually had some

1779
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:03,760
interest in

1780
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:08,960
um and that is um the the i want to say

1781
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:11,360
i i hate to use the term but uh

1782
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:12,480
telepathy

1783
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:16,400
that uh people have gotten in encounters

1784
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:18,480
um that something comes into their mind

1785
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:20,000
now there's many

1786
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:22,880
cases of this and i want to see if i can

1787
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:23,600
pull up

1788
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:26,640
i had a video of

1789
01:12:29,669 --> 01:12:28,080
a guy actually talking about that i

1790
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:29,679
don't think i'll be able to do this uh

1791
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:32,800
on the fly but uh but

1792
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:35,840
there's actually um you're you're

1793
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,600
you're thinking or you're starting to

1794
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:39,120
write a book about that that

1795
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:41,440
that situation yeah i'm already doing

1796
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:42,800
the research on it

1797
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:46,719
um what the the first thing that i did

1798
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:50,000
um when i became a ufologist was

1799
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:53,040
i was kind of curious about

1800
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:56,080
the abduction phenomenon i heard a lot

1801
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:57,760
of people mentioning it and talking

1802
01:13:03,430 --> 01:12:58,880
about it in

1803
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:03,440
ufo forums and stuff like that and

1804
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:06,719
i wanted to know about it for myself um

1805
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:09,120
so i pretty much announced that i was a

1806
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:10,000
ufologist

1807
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:12,000
and people started coming to me can i

1808
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:13,440
tell you my story

1809
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:17,120
yeah you know so i said sure

1810
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:20,239
and uh and i made a time to uh

1811
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:22,800
sit down and talk with them uh we used

1812
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:23,840
skype

1813
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:26,320
and um if people would tell me what what

1814
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:27,520
was going on

1815
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:31,120
but um i wrote up a long list of

1816
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:32,239
questions

1817
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:35,280
that i was going to ask them but

1818
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:38,719
the very first thing uh the very first

1819
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:39,520
question

1820
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:42,320
that i asked them and i asked everyone

1821
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:43,760
the same

1822
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:46,960
first question and that was did you get

1823
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:49,920
a message to bring back

1824
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:53,440
because i was curious you know i if if

1825
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:56,480
these people are abducting us

1826
01:14:04,550 --> 01:13:59,520
they're abducting us for

1827
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:07,350
this would be a tremendous opportunity

1828
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:08,480
for them

1829
01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:12,239
to plant in our minds

1830
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:15,440
something that they want us to do so

1831
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:17,760
that i i guess that's what was the the

1832
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:19,360
nature of the question

1833
01:14:26,229 --> 01:14:22,800
did you get a message and

1834
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:26,239
the message um well i uh from

1835
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:29,120
oh i interviewed about 35 people and

1836
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:30,320
each interview lasted

1837
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:34,080
two to four hours and um

1838
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:36,880
many people dropped out after the first

1839
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:38,560
hour because

1840
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,480
they knew i was getting real and they

1841
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,800
didn't want to

1842
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:44,640
want to uh come up with their deepest

1843
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:46,239
thoughts because they knew that's where

1844
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:47,440
i was going

1845
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:50,800
so um but in in the people that hung

1846
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:51,760
with me

1847
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:55,280
um i asked them what was the message

1848
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:58,400
and they all gave me one

1849
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:01,600
message one coherent message not

1850
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:04,880
20 like i sort of was hoping for

1851
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:07,600
just one message and that message was

1852
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:10,000
take care of your planet

1853
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:13,199
that was the message um

1854
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:16,080
many times on this show actually um in

1855
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:17,679
different ways the ariel school

1856
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:18,640
encounter

1857
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:20,880
um and i was just trying to pull up one

1858
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,239
of the witnesses

1859
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:24,880
in that to see if i can get uh get the

1860
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:27,520
time when he talked about it

1861
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:30,960
um well the the uh the uh

1862
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:34,480
message of take care of your planet um

1863
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:37,120
rung true with me and was always in the

1864
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:38,800
back of my mind

1865
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:44,950
i tried to work through the databases of

1866
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:47,040
the national ufo reporting center

1867
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:49,280
and state all of the things that the

1868
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:51,280
database was telling me

1869
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:55,920
and i always wanted to write about

1870
01:16:02,229 --> 01:15:59,120
take care of your planet so

1871
01:16:04,830 --> 01:16:02,239
i started doing research on

1872
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:04,840
what does that mean take care of your

1873
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:06,080
planet

1874
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:09,679
well it must mean something to do with

1875
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:13,760
um perhaps the global warming question

1876
01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:17,360
on the pollution question

1877
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:19,120
are they all related are they

1878
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:20,400
interrelated

1879
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:25,280
you know um are we over populating

1880
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:28,480
are we over garbaging the planet

1881
01:16:33,910 --> 01:16:31,440
should we be recycling all of these

1882
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:33,920
things enter into one great big question

1883
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:36,320
and that great big question is

1884
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:38,640
for us to take care of our planet and

1885
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:40,560
how we should be doing it

1886
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:43,600
so i've been researching that for about

1887
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:44,320
the last

1888
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:48,000
four weeks and uh that one is

1889
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:51,120
going to be a nightmare to write

1890
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:53,600
because um i wrote an outline for it and

1891
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:54,480
the outline

1892
01:16:59,830 --> 01:16:57,920
took me three pages so how long is this

1893
01:17:02,870 --> 01:16:59,840
book gonna be oh my goodness

1894
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:02,880
it's gonna be awesome and awful

1895
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:06,960
at the same time so um

1896
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:09,120
when do you do you know when the

1897
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:10,400
earliest

1898
01:17:13,590 --> 01:17:13,040
encounter was you know as far as years

1899
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:13,600
ago

1900
01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:16,960
where uh that message uh was said to

1901
01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:18,560
have happened

1902
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:20,640
with the person that i interviewed you

1903
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:22,320
mean with anyone i interviewed

1904
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:25,520
uh in particular that message

1905
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:28,000
uh um you know i know that you're in the

1906
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:29,280
midst of your research

1907
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:31,840
but i'm curious to know when people

1908
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:32,400
first

1909
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:36,239
started hearing that boy i don't know

1910
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:38,560
the first time that i heard it was from

1911
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:41,120
one of the abductees who talked about it

1912
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:46,960
and uh she was

1913
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:57,189
well it was probably the mid 80s when

1914
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:58,400
she

1915
01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:01,440
was first understanding of what they

1916
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:02,800
were trying to tell her

1917
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:05,280
she was abducted about every five to

1918
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:06,480
seven years

1919
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:09,679
from the time that she was um

1920
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:12,960
maybe uh

1921
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:16,560
seven years old up until um

1922
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:19,840
the uh recent and that and she's about

1923
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:21,199
50 now

1924
01:18:27,270 --> 01:18:24,320
so she's been abducted quite a few times

1925
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:27,280
and only in the 1980s when she was an

1926
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:30,159
adult was uh did she hear that message

1927
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:33,040
and the other two people that said that

1928
01:18:37,510 --> 01:18:34,640
exact same message to me

1929
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:37,520
it was about the same time frame the 80s

1930
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:41,440
or 90s when they heard it

1931
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:43,600
that's the only information i have on it

1932
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:44,719
at this point

1933
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:47,040
okay all right i'm just putting in the

1934
01:18:51,669 --> 01:18:48,560
chat room if anyone has

1935
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:51,679
questions uh please put your uh please

1936
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:52,239
put your

1937
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:56,480
question in all caps so i can catch it

1938
01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:00,239
and and also we're going to be taking

1939
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:02,719
uh calls here in just uh you know about

1940
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:04,159
10 minutes or so

1941
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:06,800
and uh so that number just to let people

1942
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:09,199
know ahead of time

1943
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:10,960
if you want to write it down if your

1944
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:12,480
people listen to the show in

1945
01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:14,960
three different ways so it's not always

1946
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:15,600
available

1947
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:19,360
but to see but that number is

1948
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:22,400
eight five five here i am forgetting

1949
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:25,120
the number uh it's eight five five four

1950
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:25,760
seven two

1951
01:19:29,110 --> 01:19:27,679
five four eight three so write that

1952
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:29,120
number down we'll put that number up in

1953
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:29,840
just a minute

1954
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:33,520
and uh uh but um

1955
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:37,280
uh where were we

1956
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:39,920
so oh oh by the way there's a meteor

1957
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:41,120
shower tonight uh

1958
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:44,000
in north america if you're listening and

1959
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:45,920
you happen to catch the show live

1960
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:48,400
you want to get out between 11 on the

1961
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:49,679
east coast you want to get out between

1962
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:50,800
11

1963
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:53,840
uh p.m and uh right through the dawn

1964
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:56,159
uh it's going to be uh a great meteor

1965
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:57,520
shower

1966
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:59,600
check that out i love that stuff unless

1967
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:01,280
you live in upstate new york and it's

1968
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:02,800
perpetually cloudy

1969
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:04,640
oh yes well it's sunny here on the east

1970
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:06,800
coast uh we have a question in chat that

1971
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:07,679
just came up

1972
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:10,480
from bobby uh bobby i've known for years

1973
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:10,880
uh

1974
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:17,040
you interviewed

1975
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:20,719
um yeah uh unfortunately i can't give

1976
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,080
any specifics

1977
01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:24,320
because i've told people that i won't

1978
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:26,560
won't release details

1979
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:28,800
of the of the private stories that they

1980
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:30,080
told me but

1981
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:32,880
um the string actually there were two of

1982
01:20:36,629 --> 01:20:33,600
them

1983
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:36,639
the uh one case that was very

1984
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:37,600
interesting

1985
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:40,719
is that um um

1986
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:43,360
after being abducted like every six or

1987
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:44,560
seven years

1988
01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:47,920
she's in constant contact with

1989
01:20:52,709 --> 01:20:50,800
the people with her abductors as a

1990
01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:52,719
matter of fact all she has to do

1991
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:55,440
is think of a question and she can think

1992
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:56,480
of the question

1993
01:21:02,229 --> 01:20:59,120
and they'll respond to her i thought

1994
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:02,239
that was pretty interesting

1995
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:05,920
like oh my goodness okay and uh

1996
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:09,520
the other one was um

1997
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:12,880
uh also a young lady

1998
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:15,920
who was

1999
01:21:26,390 --> 01:21:23,189
had four different

2000
01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:26,400
um races of people

2001
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:29,920
at the same time in her home

2002
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:33,040
um they all came for her

2003
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:38,000
and uh she had a short gray a tall gray

2004
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:43,760
um um a uh

2005
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:47,360
uh uh praying mantis looking

2006
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:49,199
type being and one other one that i've

2007
01:21:53,510 --> 01:21:50,480
that i've forgotten

2008
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:53,520
and um i think the only one you're

2009
01:21:58,629 --> 01:21:55,280
missing is the

2010
01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:01,590
i don't yeah i don't think she mentioned

2011
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:02,560
that one

2012
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:05,600
um but anyhow there were like four

2013
01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:07,199
different uh races

2014
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:09,040
um at least i think there were four

2015
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:10,400
different races

2016
01:22:18,149 --> 01:22:13,679
that were represented and

2017
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:18,159
she has uh she started out as a

2018
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:22,880
as a a shaman and

2019
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:26,159
she's extremely powerful uh even

2020
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:28,800
even to this state and uh they always

2021
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:30,719
give her messages also

2022
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:33,360
and i i thought it was interesting that

2023
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:35,120
that

2024
01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:37,360
both of these people are in constant

2025
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:38,159
contact

2026
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:41,520
with their abductors i i just found that

2027
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:43,280
fascinating because

2028
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:45,280
i would have thought jesus if you're

2029
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:47,520
taken and scared to death

2030
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:50,480
the people you you figured the people

2031
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:52,320
who abducted would hate you

2032
01:23:00,149 --> 01:22:56,800
but not not the case not the case

2033
01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:00,159
oh interesting yeah very interesting

2034
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:02,719
this uh person wants to know where

2035
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:03,360
you'll be

2036
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,880
offering the book um

2037
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:08,400
probably where you offer all your books

2038
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:10,320
and this book in particular is take care

2039
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:11,360
of your planet

2040
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:13,120
um probably it's probably not the

2041
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:14,880
working title but uh

2042
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:16,639
anyway where where could someone find

2043
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:18,400
that where can someone find your books

2044
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:19,280
while we're here

2045
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:21,040
okay actually it will be the working

2046
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:23,679
title um but

2047
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:26,719
okay take care of your planet

2048
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:29,760
um won't be out that's gonna take me a

2049
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:30,239
year

2050
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:34,719
because that one's going to be involved

2051
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:38,080
the other four books i have out are

2052
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:41,840
they are here volume 1 east coast ufos

2053
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:45,280
volume 2 central u.s ufos

2054
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:51,910
west coast ufos and volume 4 which is

2055
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:53,760
the collection of blogs

2056
01:24:01,350 --> 01:23:56,960
that describe my take on

2057
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:01,360
the physics involved of how how these

2058
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:03,440
how these craft do what they're doing

2059
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:05,360
and that one's uh entitled going

2060
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:06,400
interstellar

2061
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:08,480
and they're all available on amazon

2062
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:09,920
right now

2063
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:13,520
just search my name thomas w

2064
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:16,719
conwell c-o-n-w-e

2065
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:21,120
on amazon and um search for my books

2066
01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:24,239
yeah yeah um uh someone just had it

2067
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:27,360
uh this question you've already

2068
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:30,560
answered basically uh about uh the quake

2069
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:31,440
sightings

2070
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:34,320
uh caused by seismic activity we did we

2071
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:35,520
did talk about that

2072
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:38,159
um that a lot of that seems to be like a

2073
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:40,000
natural phenomenon

2074
01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:42,159
when when uh the sightings are seen you

2075
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:43,679
know the earthquake lights

2076
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:46,960
so to speak um and uh

2077
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:48,719
this question has come up have you ever

2078
01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:50,400
looked into embedded

2079
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:53,440
chipper strange object uh in other words

2080
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:53,760
uh

2081
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:55,600
people talking about implants anyone

2082
01:25:02,229 --> 01:24:58,000
that you uh you interviewed

2083
01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:02,239
um there were two people in particular

2084
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:05,600
who talked about implants i believe that

2085
01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:06,560
everyone's

2086
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:09,280
who is abducted has an implant that's

2087
01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:10,480
how they find you

2088
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:13,600
um but um there's two people that talked

2089
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:14,000
about

2090
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:17,040
implants and uh

2091
01:25:20,709 --> 01:25:19,520
they said that they know where they were

2092
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:20,719
implanted

2093
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:24,320
and um i did i i didn't want to get

2094
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:26,239
involved with uh with

2095
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:28,719
doctors or anything like that because

2096
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:30,639
this was already done

2097
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:34,400
um uh by uh i can't remember the guy's

2098
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:35,760
name now

2099
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:39,679
dr uh crap i can see his face a lear

2100
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:43,040
yeah layer lear yep and uh

2101
01:25:46,629 --> 01:25:44,639
i didn't want to try to reinvent the

2102
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:46,639
wheel he already did such a wonderful

2103
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:47,600
job with it

2104
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:50,719
um if uh if anyone wanted to

2105
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:53,199
try to get their implant out um at the

2106
01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:54,639
time i referred them

2107
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:57,760
to them um i don't think anyone's taken

2108
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:58,400
over

2109
01:26:01,669 --> 01:25:59,760
since he's passed away i don't think

2110
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:01,679
anyone has taken over for him i

2111
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:04,480
don't think so either yeah but since he

2112
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:05,760
died

2113
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:08,880
i was out of luck at that point yeah

2114
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,239
yeah uh all right so the lines are open

2115
01:26:15,910 --> 01:26:14,639
um and bill will be standing by to

2116
01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:15,920
screen your call

2117
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:20,719
and that number again is 855-472-5483

2118
01:26:25,189 --> 01:26:22,400
and i'll still also we have another

2119
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:25,199
question that just came up here in chat

2120
01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:27,520
um and what is the most commonly

2121
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:28,239
described

2122
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:30,239
smells from these experiences i know

2123
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:31,840
that might sound like a strange question

2124
01:26:34,709 --> 01:26:32,159
but

2125
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:34,719
it is not um that's actually what an

2126
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:35,600
interrogator

2127
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:39,360
will ask um you know uh when someone is

2128
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:41,679
has any type of experiences that's part

2129
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:43,440
of our our senses

2130
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:47,199
yep um the only smell that

2131
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:51,040
anybody ever described to me was

2132
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:55,199
cinnamon huh how about that

2133
01:27:01,590 --> 01:26:58,960
i don't understand the nature of that

2134
01:27:02,149 --> 01:27:01,600
but i think it has something to do with

2135
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:02,159
the

2136
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:08,000
perhaps it may have something to do with

2137
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:08,960
how they

2138
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:12,320
ingest food um they put something on

2139
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:13,920
their bodies and

2140
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:17,280
absorb it into through the skin that's

2141
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:19,760
uh brett just put a com comment up there

2142
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:20,480
sometimes

2143
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:23,280
people in an encounter have a a smell of

2144
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:24,239
rain

2145
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:26,719
and uh okay that that's that's a

2146
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:28,080
possibility i don't know

2147
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:30,080
if anyone's ever been around lightning a

2148
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:31,280
lightning strike

2149
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:34,880
but it uh that the the smell is pretty

2150
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:36,480
amazing i mean it's uh

2151
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:38,239
it's the air never smelled cleaner i

2152
01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:40,159
can't remember exactly what they call it

2153
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:44,000
yeah um one other one other comment on

2154
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:44,480
that

2155
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:47,840
is someone described to me um

2156
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:50,880
the smell of ozone but it was fleeting

2157
01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:52,480
that's it right that's what i was trying

2158
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:54,320
to think of okay okay

2159
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:56,800
uh here's uh joe in the chat room wanted

2160
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:58,880
to know how do you control

2161
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:01,120
uh for people lying during your

2162
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:02,960
abduction interviews that's a tough one

2163
01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:03,840
i've asked

2164
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:07,280
who's interviewed hundreds and hundreds

2165
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,080
of people

2166
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:10,560
um you know there's some telltale uh

2167
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:11,360
signs and

2168
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:13,679
actually if you're to be watching the

2169
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:14,800
show in a couple of weeks we're going to

2170
01:28:18,310 --> 01:28:16,159
have a panel on

2171
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:18,320
that talks about body language and

2172
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:19,840
deceit

2173
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:23,040
and uh we can all pick up some tips from

2174
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:23,840
these guys

2175
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:27,120
i heard you're describing that

2176
01:28:30,629 --> 01:28:29,920
the only thing that i had going for me

2177
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:30,639
is

2178
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:34,080
that i would ask um

2179
01:28:40,310 --> 01:28:37,920
the questions posed as um

2180
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:40,320
posed as different questions throughout

2181
01:28:45,669 --> 01:28:41,520
the interview

2182
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:45,679
and i'd look for consistency

2183
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:48,320
that's about the only thing that i had

2184
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:50,639
because the people were

2185
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:53,760
on a skype thing and they can show me

2186
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:54,960
their face

2187
01:28:59,350 --> 01:28:57,600
but they could be you know bouncing

2188
01:29:02,629 --> 01:28:59,360
their legs or something like that yeah

2189
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:02,639
i'm out trying trying to control their

2190
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:03,679
emotions

2191
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:06,400
i would never be able to see that but um

2192
01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:07,040
if

2193
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:10,400
answers

2194
01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:12,880
or they said something that i'd never

2195
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:15,280
heard before

2196
01:29:19,189 --> 01:29:17,600
then i'd try to get into it a little bit

2197
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:19,199
and if it was like

2198
01:29:24,629 --> 01:29:20,960
really different than anything i've ever

2199
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:24,639
heard before then i'd say they're

2200
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:27,840
maybe making it up yeah

2201
01:29:31,669 --> 01:29:29,840
it's awful hard to tell because so many

2202
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:31,679
of the stories are just so

2203
01:29:36,149 --> 01:29:34,480
darn weird to begin with and you know

2204
01:29:37,910 --> 01:29:36,159
i've said on the show sometimes i like

2205
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:37,920
the extra weird ones they almost seem

2206
01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:38,960
more credible

2207
01:29:45,669 --> 01:29:43,280
in a way some sometimes

2208
01:29:48,070 --> 01:29:45,679
i heard a couple of really weird ones

2209
01:29:51,510 --> 01:29:48,080
but then when i heard the weird thing

2210
01:29:52,229 --> 01:29:51,520
um repeated again to me by somebody

2211
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:52,239
different

2212
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:54,000
then i thought well maybe this isn't so

2213
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:56,159
weird you know

2214
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:59,760
so yeah um a question here again now try

2215
01:30:02,550 --> 01:30:00,560
to put your

2216
01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:02,560
questions in caps if you can so i catch

2217
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:03,760
them and also

2218
01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:07,520
uh the line is open and uh that number

2219
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:09,520
is right up on the screen it's uh eight

2220
01:30:13,270 --> 01:30:11,120
five five

2221
01:30:15,189 --> 01:30:13,280
four seven two five four eight three

2222
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:15,199
have you worked with any other abduction

2223
01:30:18,390 --> 01:30:17,040
investigators that was a question uh

2224
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:18,400
from uh

2225
01:30:26,550 --> 01:30:22,159
someone in the chat okay um

2226
01:30:29,189 --> 01:30:26,560
no and i have not done that because

2227
01:30:30,790 --> 01:30:29,199
i didn't know anyone doing it and i did

2228
01:30:33,910 --> 01:30:30,800
not want to

2229
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:33,920
start out uh doing abduction interviews

2230
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:34,719
uh

2231
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:37,840
it was never my intent what i really

2232
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:38,800
wanted to do

2233
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:42,320
was write about the physics of of ufos

2234
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:44,159
and how they might be doing things

2235
01:30:48,229 --> 01:30:45,840
that's all i ever wanted

2236
01:30:50,550 --> 01:30:48,239
um and then people started coming to me

2237
01:30:53,669 --> 01:30:50,560
and it lasted for

2238
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:53,679
approximately um

2239
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:56,080
a year and a half where i did my last

2240
01:31:00,950 --> 01:30:57,760
interview

2241
01:31:02,790 --> 01:31:00,960
because what was happening was i started

2242
01:31:06,310 --> 01:31:02,800
having dreams

2243
01:31:09,990 --> 01:31:06,320
um and being awakened at 3am

2244
01:31:11,110 --> 01:31:10,000
4am with these weird stories that people

2245
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:11,120
were telling me

2246
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:14,400
that almost as if it was happening to me

2247
01:31:18,229 --> 01:31:16,400
but i realized that what i was doing was

2248
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:18,239
was reliving them

2249
01:31:22,149 --> 01:31:19,760
through the people telling me the

2250
01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:22,159
stories um i didn't want to do it

2251
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:23,760
anymore

2252
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:27,120
yeah wow so i mean i no i had

2253
01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:30,159
i had had enough yeah all right

2254
01:31:33,590 --> 01:31:32,800
uh we have a caller uh we have ronald

2255
01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:33,600
calling from

2256
01:31:43,189 --> 01:31:40,470
ronald minnesota oh

2257
01:31:44,310 --> 01:31:43,199
okay minnesota mn i can i can never

2258
01:31:46,149 --> 01:31:44,320
remember the initial

2259
01:31:48,310 --> 01:31:46,159
i haven't gone in for a little while so

2260
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:48,320
i know it's with this time you forget

2261
01:31:50,149 --> 01:31:49,679
what day it is and everything you don't

2262
01:31:53,350 --> 01:31:50,159
know what

2263
01:31:54,149 --> 01:31:53,360
what we're doing half time well at least

2264
01:31:58,629 --> 01:31:54,159
you know you're

2265
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:58,639
in minnesota yeah yeah um um i had a

2266
01:32:01,510 --> 01:32:00,560
question for you i know martin has had

2267
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:01,520
an experience

2268
01:32:06,950 --> 01:32:04,719
but now for you as a researcher

2269
01:32:09,510 --> 01:32:06,960
have you had your own experience and do

2270
01:32:12,629 --> 01:32:09,520
you compare your experience

2271
01:32:14,229 --> 01:32:12,639
with your answers on your research do

2272
01:32:19,669 --> 01:32:14,239
you mix the two or do you

2273
01:32:21,990 --> 01:32:19,679
can you separate your experience

2274
01:32:22,709 --> 01:32:22,000
from your research or do you compare

2275
01:32:28,950 --> 01:32:22,719
your

2276
01:32:31,110 --> 01:32:28,960
uh ronald did you just tune into the

2277
01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:31,120
show cause he did talk about his uh

2278
01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:34,000
his ufo uh sightings yeah i think i was

2279
01:32:39,750 --> 01:32:35,760
a little bit late getting here so

2280
01:32:40,149 --> 01:32:39,760
okay no that's the that that's okay um

2281
01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:40,159
uh

2282
01:32:47,830 --> 01:32:43,760
ronald it is i think um yeah um

2283
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:47,840
now i had an experience myself

2284
01:32:54,149 --> 01:32:50,880
of seeing things in the sky until

2285
01:32:58,709 --> 01:32:54,159
i had a waking dream where

2286
01:33:01,669 --> 01:32:58,719
i was like um walking down a pathway

2287
01:33:03,030 --> 01:33:01,679
and there was a ufo parked along the

2288
01:33:05,110 --> 01:33:03,040
pathway

2289
01:33:07,350 --> 01:33:05,120
and i knew it was real because i could

2290
01:33:10,790 --> 01:33:07,360
feel the leaves under my feet

2291
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:10,800
and um i had a discussion

2292
01:33:15,910 --> 01:33:14,159
with um with the person who i apparently

2293
01:33:19,270 --> 01:33:15,920
was flying the ship

2294
01:33:20,149 --> 01:33:19,280
and um they told me they invited me into

2295
01:33:22,950 --> 01:33:20,159
the ship

2296
01:33:24,390 --> 01:33:22,960
and they wanted to borrow my energy so

2297
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:24,400
they could help one of their

2298
01:33:29,430 --> 01:33:27,600
one of their shipmates and um

2299
01:33:31,510 --> 01:33:29,440
then they said thank you very much and

2300
01:33:34,070 --> 01:33:31,520
let me go and

2301
01:33:34,950 --> 01:33:34,080
i woke up immediately afterward now was

2302
01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:34,960
it a dream

2303
01:33:41,110 --> 01:33:38,000
i don't know it sure was real it's

2304
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:41,120
i felt scratches on my feet from walking

2305
01:33:45,669 --> 01:33:42,400
out in the

2306
01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:45,679
in the woods barefoot um

2307
01:33:49,669 --> 01:33:48,400
did i actually see them i can't be

2308
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:49,679
certain

2309
01:33:54,629 --> 01:33:53,360
but um to answer the one specifics of

2310
01:33:57,669 --> 01:33:54,639
your question

2311
01:34:01,270 --> 01:33:57,679
um this was unlike

2312
01:34:04,310 --> 01:34:01,280
any other story that anybody told me

2313
01:34:05,030 --> 01:34:04,320
that's why i knew it was like off off

2314
01:34:07,430 --> 01:34:05,040
the wall

2315
01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:07,440
i mean it wasn't like anything else that

2316
01:34:13,590 --> 01:34:10,560
i had ever heard before

2317
01:34:17,030 --> 01:34:13,600
i like that okay interesting oh

2318
01:34:20,470 --> 01:34:17,040
yeah very interesting uh so do you

2319
01:34:24,629 --> 01:34:20,480
have trouble um comparing

2320
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:24,639
uh stories of uh experiencers or people

2321
01:34:28,550 --> 01:34:25,280
that you

2322
01:34:30,310 --> 01:34:28,560
you find to be factual do you have um

2323
01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:30,320
difficulty not really trouble with

2324
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:33,040
difficulty maybe um

2325
01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:35,520
okay well this happened in this one but

2326
01:34:38,470 --> 01:34:37,280
it didn't happen this one what's going

2327
01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:38,480
on here like you're mentioning the

2328
01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:40,400
earthquakes and things like that

2329
01:34:45,830 --> 01:34:43,600
you know um and then we're just uh

2330
01:34:47,590 --> 01:34:45,840
i heard somebody say volcanoes you've

2331
01:34:49,910 --> 01:34:47,600
got to do one for volcanoes now do you

2332
01:34:52,950 --> 01:34:49,920
know hawaii has a lot of volcanoes

2333
01:34:55,350 --> 01:34:52,960
california might have a volcano

2334
01:34:56,950 --> 01:34:55,360
you know and some of your met i can't

2335
01:34:58,390 --> 01:34:56,960
remember where else but anyway

2336
01:35:00,950 --> 01:34:58,400
there's lots of lots of places to have

2337
01:35:03,990 --> 01:35:00,960
volcanoes here on planet earth you know

2338
01:35:06,310 --> 01:35:04,000
yeah so that could be some kind of

2339
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:06,320
energy disturbance that causes that to

2340
01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:07,520
happen

2341
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:10,000
but um you know we're talking old

2342
01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:11,280
faithful you know that's going to go

2343
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:12,880
someday you know and that's going to be

2344
01:35:16,229 --> 01:35:15,679
big uh is there anything can spark that

2345
01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:16,239
like that

2346
01:35:22,149 --> 01:35:19,280
in that situation but with that um

2347
01:35:24,070 --> 01:35:22,159
do you find anything that that i guess

2348
01:35:28,149 --> 01:35:24,080
like a cross-reference

2349
01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:28,159
in these uh different stories

2350
01:35:32,629 --> 01:35:30,800
okay um yeah now there there are

2351
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:32,639
similarities in the stories

2352
01:35:38,070 --> 01:35:35,760
um um and

2353
01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:38,080
that's one of the things that i look for

2354
01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:39,280
something

2355
01:35:47,109 --> 01:35:45,199
like either describing the people or

2356
01:35:51,669 --> 01:35:47,119
describing what it was like

2357
01:35:59,830 --> 01:35:56,390
or what they felt the next morning

2358
01:36:02,390 --> 01:35:59,840
those kinds of things i look for in

2359
01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:02,400
the particular stories i heard so that i

2360
01:36:07,350 --> 01:36:03,119
can

2361
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:07,360
probably judge that it's it's possible

2362
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:10,480
that they're telling me um

2363
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:13,600
the right thing however

2364
01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:17,840
however i also had the same difficulty

2365
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:19,920
with that kind of a thing that if

2366
01:36:25,030 --> 01:36:21,520
anybody read

2367
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:25,040
about um

2368
01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:28,320
about abductions they would know to say

2369
01:36:33,669 --> 01:36:31,760
those particular things and um

2370
01:36:36,149 --> 01:36:33,679
yeah that's where it gets tricky yeah oh

2371
01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:36,159
yeah it really does

2372
01:36:40,149 --> 01:36:39,199
that's why i have to ask them multiple

2373
01:36:43,510 --> 01:36:40,159
times

2374
01:36:44,709 --> 01:36:43,520
uh different questions but relating to

2375
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:44,719
the same thing

2376
01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:47,600
that hopefully if they're giving me some

2377
01:36:51,270 --> 01:36:48,960
kind of nonsense

2378
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:51,280
that they would forget their answer

2379
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:52,000
previously

2380
01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:53,920
or something that's what i was looking

2381
01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:55,840
at you know you got a fish

2382
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:58,159
i like that all right ronald thank you

2383
01:37:01,510 --> 01:36:58,960
for the call

2384
01:37:02,070 --> 01:37:01,520
thank you martin yeah thank you thank

2385
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:02,080
you

2386
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:08,719
so we have uh we also have steve calling

2387
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:09,280
from

2388
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:12,800
california welcome to the show steve

2389
01:37:16,790 --> 01:37:15,440
thank you martin hi tom hi steve how are

2390
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:16,800
you

2391
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:20,080
uh ufo

2392
01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:21,920
for many years now and one thing i've

2393
01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:24,239
been contemplating we have a lot of

2394
01:37:31,030 --> 01:37:27,520
footage of uh lights

2395
01:37:32,149 --> 01:37:31,040
uh going into the mountains uh such as

2396
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:32,159
mount

2397
01:37:37,430 --> 01:37:35,119
shasta that said he investigates that

2398
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:37,440
and have caught a lot of good footage

2399
01:37:40,709 --> 01:37:40,159
and steve buren out of las vegas have

2400
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:40,719
caught

2401
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:43,040
lights going into these mountains and uh

2402
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:45,520
coming out of these mountains

2403
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:48,560
um i want to be me your opinion on

2404
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:51,360
what you think could be going on there

2405
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:54,560
is there a base in these mountains

2406
01:38:01,830 --> 01:37:58,480
um well uh several things

2407
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:01,840
first of all um let me let me change the

2408
01:38:05,030 --> 01:38:02,400
subject

2409
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:05,040
on you but i'll get back to the uh back

2410
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:05,760
to the

2411
01:38:12,229 --> 01:38:08,880
the subject at hand um well

2412
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:12,239
we we see uh craft all the time going in

2413
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:13,920
and out of the water

2414
01:38:18,629 --> 01:38:16,480
um all over the place in lakes and

2415
01:38:21,510 --> 01:38:18,639
oceans and whatever else

2416
01:38:22,709 --> 01:38:21,520
and i think they go into the water for a

2417
01:38:26,229 --> 01:38:22,719
reason

2418
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:26,239
i think that they probably have um

2419
01:38:31,990 --> 01:38:29,679
some difficulties with heat dissipation

2420
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:32,000
and they go under the water in order to

2421
01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:33,520
cool down

2422
01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:36,639
i think that okay now

2423
01:38:41,510 --> 01:38:39,520
why are they going up into the mountains

2424
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:41,520
which was your original question

2425
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:43,520
i think they're doing a lot of the same

2426
01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:44,560
kind of thing

2427
01:38:48,310 --> 01:38:46,639
they're going into the mountain they're

2428
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:48,320
shutting off their lights

2429
01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:50,320
they're sitting there to cool down and

2430
01:38:54,149 --> 01:38:52,719
then they continue on flying

2431
01:38:55,830 --> 01:38:54,159
that's the one thing i think that's

2432
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:55,840
happening with mountains now

2433
01:39:01,910 --> 01:38:59,040
do they have bases there um

2434
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:01,920
how many bases is it reasonable for a

2435
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:03,280
civilization

2436
01:39:10,830 --> 01:39:06,880
um to move to another planet to create

2437
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:10,840
um well you have multiple mountain

2438
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:12,239
ranges

2439
01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:14,480
and you have mountains all over the

2440
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:15,280
world

2441
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:19,040
uh you have mountains along the east

2442
01:39:23,109 --> 01:39:19,679
coast

2443
01:39:23,510 --> 01:39:23,119
separate mountain ranges on the west

2444
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:23,520
coast

2445
01:39:29,430 --> 01:39:26,880
how many bases does extraterrestrial

2446
01:39:31,030 --> 01:39:29,440
civilization really need

2447
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:31,040
i don't think they need any more than

2448
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:33,760
one because they fly at such enormous

2449
01:39:38,870 --> 01:39:35,440
speeds

2450
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:38,880
they don't need any more than one so

2451
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:42,159
i don't think this is a personal opinion

2452
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:44,159
i don't think when they go into

2453
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:45,520
mountains that they're

2454
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:48,960
all going into bases i think that

2455
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:50,719
there's one base somewhere and i don't

2456
01:39:55,990 --> 01:39:53,119
know where that base happens to be

2457
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:56,000
by the way there's one base somewhere

2458
01:40:01,510 --> 01:39:58,480
that they that they fly into and stay

2459
01:40:05,669 --> 01:40:01,520
but they most likely

2460
01:40:08,149 --> 01:40:05,679
um are uh looking for

2461
01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:08,159
i don't want to say hiding spots but

2462
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:09,520
areas where they can

2463
01:40:13,669 --> 01:40:12,960
cool down their craft or sit and do

2464
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:13,679
research

2465
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:20,709
maybe they do major uploads to to

2466
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:23,280
satellites or something like that but

2467
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:24,480
they all are doing

2468
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:26,000
various things when they go up in the

2469
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:28,400
mountains and it's not all to bases

2470
01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:31,040
not just my opinion very that's very

2471
01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:32,480
interesting what you said

2472
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:34,960
but uh one more question if i made six

2473
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:36,480
percent of the sightings

2474
01:40:39,910 --> 01:40:38,880
that we're catching on video on footage

2475
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:39,920
are orbs

2476
01:40:43,350 --> 01:40:41,280
and there's been different theories

2477
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:43,360
about these orbs as there are possibly

2478
01:40:46,870 --> 01:40:45,600
some kind of light beams that can

2479
01:40:49,990 --> 01:40:46,880
transform into light

2480
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:50,000
and travel and uh i always want you to

2481
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:51,920
give me your thoughts on on

2482
01:40:55,109 --> 01:40:53,840
what these orbs and what are they they

2483
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:55,119
seem to be intelligent

2484
01:40:59,109 --> 01:40:57,440
or light they're in energy there's been

2485
01:41:02,149 --> 01:40:59,119
a report that these

2486
01:41:03,189 --> 01:41:02,159
uh from uh contact keys that uh these

2487
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:03,199
visitors have come

2488
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:06,880
out of an orb and transported back into

2489
01:41:12,870 --> 01:41:09,119
light

2490
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:12,880
okay um i apologize my doggy just took

2491
01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:13,520
off

2492
01:41:20,629 --> 01:41:17,199
okay um let's see

2493
01:41:24,310 --> 01:41:20,639
um we're a pet friendly show yeah yeah

2494
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:24,320
that's good um he's been

2495
01:41:31,590 --> 01:41:27,760
she's been good really so um

2496
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:31,600
orbs i believe the orbs are

2497
01:41:43,669 --> 01:41:38,870
and i also believe that

2498
01:41:50,790 --> 01:41:46,790
multifaceted in that they can transform

2499
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:50,800
into other shapes dynamically

2500
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:53,679
just while you're looking at them just

2501
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:01,590
that's part of their technology um

2502
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:04,400
i think though that the the orbs the

2503
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:05,520
spheres

2504
01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:08,320
um whatever they're they're called by

2505
01:42:15,109 --> 01:42:09,040
are

2506
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:15,119
they show themselves to us in multiple

2507
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:19,750
interesting well steve hey thank you for

2508
01:42:25,669 --> 01:42:21,440
the call i agree

2509
01:42:27,189 --> 01:42:25,679
thank you so much nice talking steve

2510
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:27,199
all right so you know we have a couple

2511
01:42:30,790 --> 01:42:29,280
of questions in chat as well i'll just

2512
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:30,800
pull these up uh

2513
01:42:35,109 --> 01:42:32,239
have you ever done any investigation

2514
01:42:38,550 --> 01:42:35,119
regarding crashes or any earlier cases

2515
01:42:40,629 --> 01:42:38,560
uh no i've i'm i'm only a database guy

2516
01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:40,639
okay i see okay so you don't do you

2517
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:42,480
don't actually do regular

2518
01:42:46,550 --> 01:42:45,840
uh boots on the ground as they say no i

2519
01:42:49,669 --> 01:42:46,560
do not

2520
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:49,679
no um i'm i'm not

2521
01:42:55,750 --> 01:42:54,000
30 anymore i have had a heart attack

2522
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:55,760
and i have to really be careful what i

2523
01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:57,280
do with myself

2524
01:43:01,189 --> 01:42:59,920
and um walking through the woods i don't

2525
01:43:04,470 --> 01:43:01,199
want to be doing that

2526
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:04,480
so yeah sure okay um let's see

2527
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:07,600
we have this question too what are uh

2528
01:43:11,350 --> 01:43:09,679
hi mary uh always nice to see you in

2529
01:43:14,070 --> 01:43:11,360
here what are the shapes

2530
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:14,080
of the crafts that uh people saw isn't

2531
01:43:17,990 --> 01:43:15,199
it uh

2532
01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:18,000
isn't it a variance of them before we

2533
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:19,840
get into that i just wanted to answer

2534
01:43:24,229 --> 01:43:22,000
um something that came up in the chat

2535
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:24,239
room because i'm getting firsthand uh

2536
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:24,960
witness

2537
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:31,760
james fox movie called the phenomenon

2538
01:43:36,709 --> 01:43:34,880
i saw someone posted in chat um earlier

2539
01:43:38,149 --> 01:43:36,719
that it was coming out within one month

2540
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:38,159
and i just wanted to clear that up so

2541
01:43:41,510 --> 01:43:39,440
this is directly

2542
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:41,520
um from one of the producers just came

2543
01:43:44,950 --> 01:43:43,440
to me right now

2544
01:43:46,629 --> 01:43:44,960
and he says all that we're saying at

2545
01:43:49,270 --> 01:43:46,639
this point is that the movie is

2546
01:43:51,430 --> 01:43:49,280
supposed to be released next month

2547
01:43:52,470 --> 01:43:51,440
supposed to be released i have no actual

2548
01:43:54,550 --> 01:43:52,480
date yet

2549
01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:54,560
all due to scheduling issues because of

2550
01:43:57,590 --> 01:43:57,040
the coronavirus there's more news to

2551
01:44:00,070 --> 01:43:57,600
come so

2552
01:44:01,510 --> 01:44:00,080
there is some truth to what was posted

2553
01:44:02,390 --> 01:44:01,520
earlier you know it's supposed to come

2554
01:44:04,629 --> 01:44:02,400
out next month

2555
01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:04,639
and i believe you me you will know about

2556
01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:06,400
it because i'm going to be pumping that

2557
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:07,360
movie up

2558
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:10,400
and uh hopefully i'll get james on along

2559
01:44:16,629 --> 01:44:13,520
uh with maybe someone else as well so

2560
01:44:18,830 --> 01:44:16,639
uh anyway uh here's the question again

2561
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:18,840
what are the shapes uh sorry for that

2562
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:20,320
jag

2563
01:44:25,189 --> 01:44:22,960
okay um this brings up an interesting

2564
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:25,199
story the shapes

2565
01:44:29,910 --> 01:44:28,480
there are uh if you look at the national

2566
01:44:31,750 --> 01:44:29,920
ufo reporting center

2567
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:31,760
and start categorizing and write down

2568
01:44:35,750 --> 01:44:33,040
the name of each

2569
01:44:37,270 --> 01:44:35,760
each particular shape that somebody sees

2570
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:37,280
um

2571
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:39,760
you're going to come up with about 48 of

2572
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:41,280
them

2573
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:44,800
yeah now does that mean that they're all

2574
01:44:48,149 --> 01:44:46,159
different all from different

2575
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:48,159
civilizations and all no

2576
01:44:54,470 --> 01:44:51,360
it doesn't mean that at all i believe

2577
01:44:58,229 --> 01:44:54,480
that when you put a shape of something

2578
01:45:00,629 --> 01:44:58,239
up in the sky and you look at it

2579
01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:00,639
with the exception of a sphere if you

2580
01:45:06,310 --> 01:45:02,800
look at it from different directions

2581
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:06,320
it looks different to you and a lot of

2582
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:07,840
what people are seeing

2583
01:45:11,590 --> 01:45:10,800
are the same kind of thing looked at

2584
01:45:14,550 --> 01:45:11,600
from

2585
01:45:16,629 --> 01:45:14,560
4 5 15 different angles that get

2586
01:45:18,709 --> 01:45:16,639
reported differently

2587
01:45:21,430 --> 01:45:18,719
and i think that's a lot of what the

2588
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:21,440
shapes are i think there's probably

2589
01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:24,719
about seven different shapes and

2590
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:27,360
um what i did in my first three books is

2591
01:45:31,189 --> 01:45:28,080
i took

2592
01:45:34,950 --> 01:45:31,199
the 50 different shapes

2593
01:45:37,350 --> 01:45:34,960
from the national ufo reporting center

2594
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:37,360
and i took them and combined them into

2595
01:45:40,950 --> 01:45:38,719
seven shapes

2596
01:45:42,229 --> 01:45:40,960
and the reason i did that is so that i

2597
01:45:45,990 --> 01:45:42,239
can compare

2598
01:45:49,109 --> 01:45:46,000
the shapes on one graph

2599
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:49,119
so that i could see what was changing um

2600
01:45:55,669 --> 01:45:53,199
from the 1950s to the present

2601
01:45:56,830 --> 01:45:55,679
so i could put all seven kind of

2602
01:46:02,470 --> 01:45:56,840
categories

2603
01:46:07,109 --> 01:46:04,950
i think that was probably a pretty good

2604
01:46:11,590 --> 01:46:07,119
thing to do

2605
01:46:12,870 --> 01:46:11,600
but there are a lot of different things

2606
01:46:15,270 --> 01:46:12,880
that people are seeing

2607
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:15,280
and some of them are really weird and i

2608
01:46:18,310 --> 01:46:17,280
had to combine them into something else

2609
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:18,320
that

2610
01:46:21,430 --> 01:46:20,880
may not have made sense but i had a i

2611
01:46:23,189 --> 01:46:21,440
had a

2612
01:46:25,189 --> 01:46:23,199
i had to compress them so that i could

2613
01:46:28,709 --> 01:46:25,199
get good good data on it

2614
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:28,719
but um yeah the people describe up to 50

2615
01:46:34,229 --> 01:46:29,840
different things

2616
01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:34,239
uh and yeah there's some crazy stuff

2617
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:35,600
yeah i know i've heard some crazy

2618
01:46:39,750 --> 01:46:38,159
stories of um you know

2619
01:46:41,350 --> 01:46:39,760
a friend of mine saw something look like

2620
01:46:44,470 --> 01:46:41,360
a perfectly square

2621
01:46:46,390 --> 01:46:44,480
box you know with lights on it yes

2622
01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:46,400
and it was floating you know i mean it's

2623
01:46:49,830 --> 01:46:47,679
such a weird thing

2624
01:46:51,990 --> 01:46:49,840
yeah i know uh but you know a lot of you

2625
01:46:53,910 --> 01:46:52,000
just made a really good point and uh

2626
01:46:56,950 --> 01:46:53,920
uh thank you for that and that is

2627
01:47:00,149 --> 01:46:56,960
basically that uh

2628
01:47:00,870 --> 01:47:00,159
the uh the times that people are

2629
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:00,880
reporting

2630
01:47:06,709 --> 01:47:04,000
sometimes the cigar shape uh

2631
01:47:07,590 --> 01:47:06,719
ufo could actually be a disc you know at

2632
01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:07,600
an angle

2633
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:10,080
yeah oh yes uh you know there are

2634
01:47:14,070 --> 01:47:12,000
different ways that you can see

2635
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:14,080
uh things uh just by you know their

2636
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:15,119
distance and

2637
01:47:19,590 --> 01:47:18,560
angle yeah totally different um i had

2638
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:19,600
first-hand

2639
01:47:25,109 --> 01:47:22,880
um experience with that um

2640
01:47:27,030 --> 01:47:25,119
like i said we live on the landing

2641
01:47:28,870 --> 01:47:27,040
pattern of albany airport

2642
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:28,880
and they come in from the window just to

2643
01:47:34,310 --> 01:47:31,280
my left and if i look out

2644
01:47:37,510 --> 01:47:34,320
and see them in their

2645
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:37,520
in their landing thing they turn just

2646
01:47:41,109 --> 01:47:38,480
before they

2647
01:47:42,229 --> 01:47:41,119
they get to like above the window and i

2648
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:42,239
see the planes from

2649
01:47:45,590 --> 01:47:45,119
all these different angles at one time i

2650
01:47:48,149 --> 01:47:45,600
went

2651
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:48,159
running out the door thinking oh my god

2652
01:47:53,590 --> 01:47:50,320
this is this is the big one you know

2653
01:47:55,109 --> 01:47:53,600
and uh it was an airplane yeah

2654
01:47:56,550 --> 01:47:55,119
well yeah you look a lot of times when

2655
01:47:58,149 --> 01:47:56,560
they have their landing lights their

2656
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:58,159
landing lights

2657
01:48:01,750 --> 01:48:00,800
you know from far away sometimes that's

2658
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:01,760
all you see

2659
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:04,000
and uh that looks pretty mysterious i've

2660
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:04,880
also seen

2661
01:48:08,870 --> 01:48:06,800
you know a helicopter that looked really

2662
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:08,880
strange one time

2663
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:11,440
but uh yeah so i can understand why you

2664
01:48:15,510 --> 01:48:12,480
know people can

2665
01:48:17,590 --> 01:48:15,520
uh think they actually see something

2666
01:48:18,709 --> 01:48:17,600
uh when it's something very explainable

2667
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:18,719
that does happen

2668
01:48:22,790 --> 01:48:21,040
you know in a majority of the cases yes

2669
01:48:23,750 --> 01:48:22,800
the ones that you can explain those are

2670
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:23,760
the ones that i'm

2671
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:27,119
that keeps me uh doing this show yeah

2672
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:29,840
um what i did with the national ufo

2673
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:30,880
reporting center

2674
01:48:36,149 --> 01:48:34,719
database is i i read every single long

2675
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:36,159
report

2676
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:39,760
read

2677
01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:42,080
every single one of them and the reason

2678
01:48:48,070 --> 01:48:43,840
i did is because

2679
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:48,080
when uh the new fork would describe

2680
01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:51,199
a sighting they may say uh this

2681
01:48:54,629 --> 01:48:53,520
this sighting is a disk and then you

2682
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:54,639
read the report

2683
01:49:00,709 --> 01:48:58,080
and it's really a sphere so what do you

2684
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:00,719
do with that you know um

2685
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:03,760
uh uh do you re re-label it

2686
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:05,920
do you delete it because they're not

2687
01:49:09,430 --> 01:49:07,360
sure what they're talking about

2688
01:49:10,870 --> 01:49:09,440
you know so i went through a whole lot

2689
01:49:12,870 --> 01:49:10,880
of that um

2690
01:49:13,990 --> 01:49:12,880
when i went through the database the

2691
01:49:17,109 --> 01:49:14,000
first time with

2692
01:49:19,830 --> 01:49:17,119
all 50 states it was a nightmare that's

2693
01:49:22,070 --> 01:49:19,840
why it took me a year by the way

2694
01:49:23,830 --> 01:49:22,080
wow yeah yeah well it looks like you're

2695
01:49:24,470 --> 01:49:23,840
really kind of getting your work cut out

2696
01:49:27,910 --> 01:49:24,480
for you

2697
01:49:29,669 --> 01:49:27,920
oh the nightmare was a nightmare yeah

2698
01:49:32,709 --> 01:49:29,679
but you must you must enjoy it

2699
01:49:35,910 --> 01:49:32,719
uh it kept me occupied

2700
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:35,920
believe me yeah yeah and uh

2701
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:38,320
and this next one you're doing uh to me

2702
01:49:40,870 --> 01:49:39,040
it sounds

2703
01:49:42,550 --> 01:49:40,880
uh really intense and uh you know it

2704
01:49:43,270 --> 01:49:42,560
wouldn't hurt for you to check out i

2705
01:49:45,669 --> 01:49:43,280
mentioned

2706
01:49:46,709 --> 01:49:45,679
earlier the ariel school i don't know if

2707
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:46,719
you've looked into that

2708
01:49:50,950 --> 01:49:49,280
yeah i've read about that yeah there's

2709
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:50,960
uh there's some great footage on that

2710
01:49:53,910 --> 01:49:51,360
too

2711
01:49:54,790 --> 01:49:53,920
with a lot of people describing um what

2712
01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:54,800
they've seen

2713
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:56,560
so we just have a minute or two left

2714
01:50:02,149 --> 01:49:58,960
here um so you can find your book

2715
01:50:04,229 --> 01:50:02,159
and upcoming books on amazon and

2716
01:50:05,189 --> 01:50:04,239
just search your name and that's tom

2717
01:50:08,790 --> 01:50:05,199
conwell

2718
01:50:12,070 --> 01:50:08,800
no no it's under thomas

2719
01:50:15,189 --> 01:50:12,080
i write on the stream sure thomas w

2720
01:50:18,550 --> 01:50:15,199
conwell yeah okay and uh

2721
01:50:21,669 --> 01:50:18,560
also um again um i'm gonna expect to

2722
01:50:23,350 --> 01:50:21,679
in the um email if i could those maps uh

2723
01:50:25,510 --> 01:50:23,360
for anyone that's uh

2724
01:50:27,669 --> 01:50:25,520
listening to this show audio that didn't

2725
01:50:29,109 --> 01:50:27,679
get a chance to see it on youtube

2726
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:29,119
all you have to do is go into the show

2727
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:31,679
notes and i'll post those uh maps up for

2728
01:50:36,709 --> 01:50:32,400
you

2729
01:50:39,750 --> 01:50:36,719
a real pleasure

2730
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:39,760
uh it was a pleasure for me too and um i

2731
01:50:43,589 --> 01:50:41,760
especially love the call-ins

2732
01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:43,599
they're a lot of fun you really don't

2733
01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:44,960
know what you're going to get

2734
01:50:48,229 --> 01:50:46,000
that's right well we have a good

2735
01:50:50,709 --> 01:50:48,239
screener too so

2736
01:50:51,830 --> 01:50:50,719
yeah all right well stay healthy okay

2737
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:51,840
thank you tim

2738
01:50:55,990 --> 01:50:54,719
all right take care okay bye bye all

2739
01:50:59,109 --> 01:50:56,000
right everyone so uh

2740
01:51:01,270 --> 01:50:59,119
next week let's see we have we have a

2741
01:51:03,669 --> 01:51:01,280
greer on the show but not stephen greer

2742
01:51:05,109 --> 01:51:03,679
we have john michael greer and uh he's

2743
01:51:06,070 --> 01:51:05,119
going to be talking about a book that he

2744
01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:06,080
has

2745
01:51:10,550 --> 01:51:08,800
called the ufo chronicles so stay tuned

2746
01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:10,560
for that and as i mentioned before we

2747
01:51:14,950 --> 01:51:12,000
have all kinds of

2748
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:14,960
really interesting guests coming up um

2749
01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:15,760
and uh

2750
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:17,840
i think uh i'm pretty excited about

2751
01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:19,119
quite a few of them

2752
01:51:23,030 --> 01:51:21,920
so uh let's see let me just get into the

2753
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:23,040
right place here

2754
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:25,040
and that is going to do it for us

2755
01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:27,520
tonight thank you all for listening

2756
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:29,440
and uh thank you all for working behind

2757
01:51:33,430 --> 01:51:30,800
the scenes bill

2758
01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:33,440
over there at kgra radio and if you're

2759
01:51:38,229 --> 01:51:35,360
on kg ra radio

2760
01:51:39,189 --> 01:51:38,239
uh tonight uh there's a new show and uh

2761
01:51:41,350 --> 01:51:39,199
i'm sorry i don't

2762
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:41,360
i was told quickly what it was but

2763
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:43,040
there's a show so hang in there for that

2764
01:51:45,750 --> 01:51:44,800
a new show and there's a lot of hosts on

2765
01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:45,760
that show

2766
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:47,760
all right everyone thanks so much and